Michael Bara is an aerospace engineer. Many strange things are going on in NASA and he and Richard C. Hoagland have written a book entitled "Dark Mission", which talks about what is really going on in that agency. It will surprise you, to say the least.

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Audio Of Interview

Graphic Source: Michael Bara

Ken:

I am going to ask you now about the Kennedy assassination, since the book ties Kennedy in with the space race, more or less.

There have been many theories on the Kennedy assassination over the years. Your book indicates that President Kennedy had offered a deal to the Russians several times where they would be able to join our space program and on about the fourth offer Khrushchev was about to accept and we know this because his son testified to the fact and just a few days before Khrushchev accepted, Kennedy was killed. First of all do you think this reason above all was why he was killed?

President Kennedy And Vice President Johnson
Photo Source: US Department Of Labor

Michael Bara:

Yeah, I do. I have looked at all the different conspiracy theories involving the Kennedy assassination and none of them to me, rose to the level that it would take to be worth killing the president for. Killing a president is a really, really dangerous game to play, because people are going to be extremely curious about the circumstances. To me anti-Castro Cubans, Castro himself, the mob, the mafia, the Russians, none of these, you know the military industrial complex wanting to keep the Vietnamese war going, none of those add up to a good enough reason to try and kill somebody, especially the president of the United States. If you are talking about sharing our most advanced technology of the time, which was rocketry and rocket guidance technology with our mortal cold war enemies, the Soviet Union, or on top of that if there was knowledge within the intelligence community of what was on the moon and what was on Mars, in other words ruins, that they would find ancient technology there, that easily to me rises to the level of okay, we have got to get rid of this guy, because clearly he is now endangering the union, or western civilization, or whatever. At least to me that is something that adds up. None of the other stuff has ever added up to a big enough reason for Kennedy to have been killed.

Ken:

The book goes on to further implicate then Vice President Johnson and Representative Thomas as being part of, or the leaders of the plot and shows a photo of Johnson being sworn in and partially facing Thomas and smiling while Thomas winks at him, with a still grieving Jacqueline Kennedy at his side. Has anything ever turned up to support this contention?

Nikita Kruschev With President Kennedy
Photo Source: US Department Of State

:Michael Bara:

Well I think we lay out in the book all the circumstantial evidence. Why would Thomas and why would Johnson be part of a conspiracy to get rid of Kennedy? As we lay it out, Thomas was one of the leading congressional critics of Kennedy's plan which he only made public with the final offer to Khrushchev in September of 1963, to share our space technology with the Russians. He was very close with Johnson and I think that he....., in terms of is there any other evidence that supports this conclusion, we don't have anything new at this time that supports it, but I think that we lay out a really strong case in the book, that these guys all had motive, means and opportunity to be behind the assassination. That wink photograph has absolutely been confirmed, it is absolutely genuine. It is about the most incongruous thing that I have ever seen. I can't imagine with a president having been assassinated, the vice-president, literally in just a couple of moments after being sworn in as president, smiling under any circumstances The wink of Congressman Thomas to Johnson is absolutely incongruous. To me as I look at that, as I wrote it in the book, it says to me we got him, you know, we got away with it. What an inappropriate moment, to me it just doesn't make any sense that anybody would do that if they weren't part of something bigger or part of a conspiracy to eliminate Jack Kennedy.

Ken:

Do you think that there is some sort of agreement between countries about keeping data secret if it shows any indication of alien life?

Michael Bara:

I think that it is a real possibility. I know that in some of the high resolution film coming back from the Japanese mission, there are clear signs of tampering with some of those images. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the case, yeah I think that it is a distinct possibility. What I noticed that is really interesting, is that we have this Mars Express spacecraft from the European Space Agency, the ESA and there is actually an article on DarkMission.net website, it is a deleted version, a deleted section of the book, it didn't make it into the book. It talks about this mission and these photographs that they had taken. In their photos, even thought they are kind of at the limits of the resolution, where you could say, yeah for sure you can see something here, their photographs of the face in Cydonia appear to me to be more genuine.than any of the versions that we have had from NASA and we kind of talk about that in this article. It was something I wish we could have put in Dark Mission, I guess we can put it in the revised edition. In other words what I am saying is....

Ken:

Dark Mission II

Michael Bara:

Yeah. I think there is a distinct possibility that there is such an agreement, but I clearly see that there are some countries and some organizations that seem to be fighting that agreement or seem to be unhappy with it. The point was that they're putting stuff out that a logical person can say, well wait a minute that doesn't really look the same as the images that NASA is putting out.

Ken:

It's been said that another Sphinx has been discovered on Mars, are you familiar with that?

Michael Bara:

I don't know which one we are talking about actually?

Ken:

I had read that and I saw a photo of what they think is a fully sized Sphinx I don't know exactly where it was located, because the picture didn't indicate it. I was just wondering if you had heard anything about that?

Michael Bara:

I haven't heard of one except for the one that we thought might be at the Pathfinder landing site. If you look at some super resolution images of the Pathfinder from years ago, there was an object that bore an erie resemblance to a Sphinx some distance away from the Rover in one of the panorama images. We talk about that in Dark Mission and we show you some of the pictures in there. If it is separate from that, I would really be interested, in fact you know if you can find me that picture.....

Ken:

It might be the one in the book that I am thinking of.

Michael Bara:

Yeah, it might be, but I mean as I look at this thing again, it is right at the limits of resolution. They give it to you where you can almost make it out, but you can't really say absolutely that is what it is. There is something that looked a lot like a Sphinx not to far from the rover. There is a Mars Reconnaissance image of the Pathfinder landing site, I had hoped to be able to take that and work with it and look at that image and see if I could find the Sphinx from above. Honestly the images that you download now from the Mars Reconnaissance website, I can't get them to work on my computer. I tried to convert them to tiff files, I can't get them to open. I just had all kinds of trouble. It is one of those things, that I would really like to resolve the question of what is this very odd, very block like, very Sphinx like structure that we see in the Pathfinder images?

Crew Of Apollo 11 - First Human Walking On Moon
Photo Source: NASA

Ken:

Can I ask you what software you are using?

Michael Bara:

Yeah I am using Photoshop and a Corel image processor. I tried the different image processor programs that actually download the IMQ file that the Reconnaissance Orbiter images come in. I had nothing but trouble. A guy sent me a cd with a bunch of the images broken into tiffs and they wouldn't open, so I understand that other people are having the same problem with them, so I don't know if it is me or just that there is something wrong with the images themselves. It is one of those things that is actually on my list to resolve at some point. Maybe I can get Richard to open them, maybe he will be able to open them and tell me, you know, what is on them?

Ken:

A series of tubes have been found on Mars that were thought to extend a few hundred feet. Recently it was discovered that they also went underground and extended into what seems to be a building in Cydonia. Please tell us about them.

Michael Bara:

We found some, I think Arthur C. Clark was one of the first ones to bring this up. I forget, Richard may have brought this out and sent it to me before or Arthur Clark. In fact I think that the sequence is that Richard posted this image of this so called glass tube on Mars and Arthur Clark found it and saw it and made a big deal out of it. He thought that it might be alive or a fossil, because you see this rib like structure in the tubes that are exposed where there is a rift in the ground. They extend for several hundred feet and there seems to be an object inside of what looks to be a translucent tube. NASA tried to claim that these were really concave and that our minds were really playing tricks on us and it was really a series of sand dunes in a ravine. We had Ron Nixon, our consulting geologist, pretty much debunk that. Then we had some 3d shapes from shading work that we had done, from a couple of people that worked with us and this clearly showed that they were raised, tubular types of structures with ribs spaced very evenly all along the structure. Later on when we got the thermal infrared images of Cydonia from the Mars Odyssey 2001 THEMIS imager, we found these tubes, similar types of tubes coming out of the fortress in Cydonia, an object called the fortress, the thermal images showed that it went underground, even below what you could see in the visible light images and there were other similar tubes that seemed to come out of an object that we called the train station in Cydonia and this tube goes along this sort of meandering winding road and goes right under a symmetrical mesa, a symmetrical object in Cydonia. We have seen these thing on visual images and we have seen them on thermal images. There appear to be some tubular type structures on Mars at various places, that we can pretty much confirm that are there. They may be a transportation system, maybe for holding water, who knows?

Ken:

Some of these ruins on the moon are quite unusual. One that comes to mind is a glass tower that soars into the sky. Do you think that we are capable today of building a structure like that on the moon?

Michael Bara:

I don't know if we are capable of building a structure like that, but what we are purposing, right now, is that when we do get to the moon, we do return and we do build a lunar base, that we build it out of glass, we build it out of lunar glass. There are tons and tons of glass right on the surface of the moon, it is very easy to get to. In an inactive environment like the moon, there is no moisture, glass actually becomes stronger than steel, about 2 times stronger than steel. It is the perfect material for building a lunar base, to protect you from meteorites and radiation and things like that.

Last Apollo Crew - Apollo 17
Photo Source: NASA

Ken:

An interesting theory appears in the book that states that astronauts were brainwashed to forget what they saw on the moon. Do you think that this ties in, in any way, to alien abductions where people claim to have been brainwashed?

Michael Bara:

No I would say that we wonder if guys have been brainwashed or helped to forget, because a lot of them tell stories about not being able to remember what their experiences were like on the moon and not being able to remember anything except.... If you ask them what they did on the moon they can recite you chapter and verse, what they did, how they went here, in other words a script that they were given, a past that they had to accomplish, they remember all that, but when you ask what did it feel like, what did it look like, you get these very vague answers. I even recently saw, there was a documentary on the moon, I forget the exact title of it, but it was real recent, back in December I think it was. They had an interview with Buzz Aldrin, somebody that actually went to the moon and again they give you these extremely vague descriptions of what it was like. Oh it was desolate, it was...., it is not very specific. We thought that maybe..., we were told by somebody that did work for NASA that all the astronauts as part of their debriefing were hypnotized, in order to help them remember, help them remember quote, end quote. details. If that's true and it has been reported as antidotal, but if it is true then I think that it is possible that there has been some suggestions implanted in their subconscious to maybe make it difficult to remember some things that NASA didn't want them to be talking about. .I don't think that it is associated with the abduction problem at all.

Ken:

The book seem to indicate that there were glass domes under glass domes and then there was glass domes over those glass domes. Each one was a larger size of course. I am not sure, does this mean that you feel that ultimately there was one huge glass dome over everything?

Michael Bara:

Yeah, there could have been a lot of glass structure all over the moon. I think what we are saying now, what we officially say, at this point and Richard talked about it yesterday at his presentation, is that the dark parts of the moon, the maria as they are called represent the area where these battered glass dome structures still exist on the moon today. That is an awful lot of the real estate. If you look at the moon, the dark areas are an awful lot of the real estate. I think over the millions and maybe even billions of years, I think a lot of the structure, a lot of the technology has been eroded away by meteorite impacts. Yeah it makes a certain amount of sense that you would have layers and different types of protection of glass domes if you were building it to protect a civilization from the environment of space.

Ken:

The government and NASA in particular, is looking more and more foolish as more evidence about the objects on the moon and Mars leaks out. Why do you think that they haven't brought in another agency like the FBI to try and stop these leaks?

Michael Bara:

I think that and again this sort of thing has to go back to the religious aspect of it. What we are seeing is that they are obligated to release the information if A we ask for it and B I think in a very measured way that will not cause panic. I think what they are really doing...., it is like time release aspirin, that is Richard's favorite analogy. Time release aspirin, you just have a little bit here and a little bit there. I mean to me their behavior is consistent in the fact that they are following a pattern that makes sense to me.

Ken:

Do you think that any alien technology has been brought back from the Moon?

Area On Moon That Seems To Contain Wrecked Structures
Photo Source: NASA Photo Cropped And Enlarged

Michael Bara:

Yeah, until I saw the robot head, Data's head as I like to call it, I didn't think so, but now I am not so sure. Clearly there are....., as we look at more photographs of the surface that were taken by the astronauts, there is stuff, junk, technology, ruins all around them at different times, especially on Apollo 17. That seems to be a real salvage mission. Yeah, I think that they brought some of that stuff back, they were certainly equipped to be able to do so. Nothing really big, but they could have brought back a lot of little things. It is kind of like Terminator, Terminator II or something, you don't need that much advanced alien technology to really make use of it. You just need something to inspire you to think in directions that you wouldn't have thought of before.

Ken:

Do you think that we have a secret space program and we are making regular landings on the Moon and maybe Mars?

Michael Bara:

Well that is an interesting question again. Yes as a matter of fact if we are going to do a sequel to Dark Mission, which we are talking about, it is going to be called, The Secret Space Program. Yeah I believe that there is a lot more evidence now coming out, some stuff that I can't really talk about yet, that we are digging into. It implies that maybe there was very, very advanced technology available, even at the same time we were doing the rocket missions to the moon there may have been a secret program, that maybe the NASA guys didn't even know about, that is utilizing much more advanced technology, yes.

Ken:

I have been a proponent of that for many years.

Michael Bara:

Well I think that you are ahead of the curve Ken and we are catching up to you now and again we are starting to dig in to some stuff and I don't want to talk about it yet, because.....

Ken:

No save it for the next interview.

Michael Bara:

Yeah, yeah I will try to do that.

Ken:

At this point I would like to give you an opportunity to say whatever you would like.

Michael Bara:

Well I just would like to say to anyone that's listening that give our book a chance, give it a read. What we try to lay out and what I try to do is, I don't think that you have to believe everything that we believe or accept every conclusion that we come to in Dark Mission. What I think you will get, if you read the book, is that you will really not be able to say to yourself, gosh there is absolutely nothing to this. What I hope is that you will go through the book and you will come away suspicious and a lot more questioning of the things that especially NASA tells you. That would be my message to people out there that is just stay on top of them and don't let them get away with stuff when they lie.

Ken:

Well that was very interesting indeed and I really enjoyed it Mike, I must tell you.

I would like to thank you for a most interesting interview.