Michael Bara is an aerospace engineer. Many strange things are going on in NASA and he and Richard C. Hoagland have written a book entitled "Dark Mission", which talks about what is really going on in that agency. It will surprise you, to say the least.

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Graphic Source: Michael Bara

Ken:

Tell us about how Ken Johnson when he was ordered to destroy the NASA photos and how he saved them.

Left: Original NASA Photo
Right: Enhanced Photo Showing Glass Structure On Moon In Same Photo
Photo Source: Michael Bara

Michael Bara:

Well Ken was responsible for the Lunar receiving laboratory and for a whole lot of samples and lunar rocks that were brought back, a bunch of photographs that were taken of the rocks and some other photographs that were general Apollo hand held photography, taken by the astronauts on the various missions. He had 4 sets of that data that he was responsible for, responsible for preserving and at one point, I think 1972, his boss came to him and said you are supposed to destroy all the pictures. Ken said I don't want to do that. I think that they are first generation prints made from the original negatives of the photos that were taken by the astronauts on their 6 missions or 5 missions to the moon, the 6 missions that were successful. He said can't I donate them to libraries, or schools or something like that, academic institutions? They said no, the orders are to destroy all 4 sets of these images. It doesn't make any sense, except in the context that if there was stuff on the images that NASA couldn't control that they would want to have only one set of prints and negatives that they could have control over. You know this doesn't make any sense, of course you would want to donate them to academic institutions. He asked again and even begged and the final world came down, NO! It came down from NASA headquarters, you must destroy all the images. He did destroy 3 sets of them, but he couldn't bring himself to destroy them all, so he kept some of the images himself, very few of them and he donated the rest of them to his Alma Mata, Oklahoma City University in Oklahoma. A lot of those images have consequently disappeared over the years since 1972. It's one of these episodes that makes no sense unless somebody inside NASA had an agenda to hide what was on those pictures.

Ken:

Right.

What did some of these photos show that made them so valuable, apart from them being invaluable as an historical record?

Michael Bara:

Well when Richard got a hold of them,he exposed them to the same techniques that we were using on lunar orbiter photos. What he found was that when you enhance the background, you don't even have to enhance it... When you look at some of the basic raw scans you will see little blue dots and things in the sky above the astronauts that should not be there. When you enhance them this amazing grid work structure, this glittering reflective glass like structure appears above the astronauts heads in a whole bunch of these images and we now have gotten high resolution scans from the current generation of NASA negatives, NASA images that are in the archives now and they confirm the same obviously or apparently artificial structures towering over the astronauts. So it showed artifacts, it showed the ruins of massive scaffolding type structures over the astronauts in several of the Apollo missions;.

Ken:

Has Ken Johnson ever suffered either legally, physically, or physiologically for taking these photos, if you know?

Same Photo As Above But Showing Glass Dome Over Moon Crater
Photo Source: Michael Bara

Michael Bara:

Well not taking the photos because he didn't take them.

Ken:

I mean receiving them.

Michael Bara:

He didn't really suffer any consequences until recently, when Dark Mission came out and we had retold Ken's story as we had told it at some other times on the web. We told Ken's story again and Ken had been part of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory program called Solar System Ambassadors, which are unpaid volunteer positions where they basically are sponsored by JPL and they go around and they promote space, engineering and space exploration to young people, kids at school and that kind of thing. They promote science and engineering and so forth. Because Ken was involved in Dark Mission and associated with myself and Richard Hoagland, he was subsequently fired from this position as a Solar System Ambassador. They pulled his credentials. This happened after an NBC reporter and I use that with quotation marks, found out about it. He had basically raised a stink with the gal, the lady who runs the Solar System program at JPL. He wrote a very stormy letter that implied all sorts of things about Ken and his background

Ken:

That is terrible.

Michael Bara:

He indicated that Ken's credentials were not what he made them out to be. The part that was really nauseating was that James Oberg and Ken Johnson had known each other for several years and had worked together for years at NASA back in the 1970s and Oberg pretended that he didn't know who Ken was at all, which we just don't believe to be true at all.

Ken:

How did you and Hoagland discover that certain NASA probes and Apollo landings were tied in with ancient Egyptian ceremonies?

John Glenn On Moon With Glass Dome Behind Him
Photo Source: NASA

Michael Bara:

I can't take credit for discovering it, that was Richard's concept, but I ended up doing a lot of work on it with him in sort of developing the model, the standardized model of this. Essentially what it came down to is that once Ken had explained to Richard that Buzz Aldrin had been a 32 degree Scottish Right Free Mason, now 33 degree and Richard began to understand what the Free Masons were and he began to understand that their core belief system at the Scottish Right, believed that these ancient Egyptian gods, Isis, Osiris and Horus and Seth were real beings, they were real creatures that actually walked the earth and worshiped them as gods. Once he understood that all this was the case, he began to think about the fact that the ancient Egyptian religion was a stellar religion. In other words all these gods were represented by specific constellations and stars in the sky. Isis was represented by the star Sirius, one of the brightest stars in the night sky. Osiris was represented by the constellation Orion and then in Ken's stuff, a stack of stuff, he found this original Apollo patch. the Apollo program patch for the program that had been originally created and right there on that patch is the constellation of Orion. It makes no sense, because Apollo and Orion don't have connection in any kind of mythology. Orion is associated with Osiris, it is an Egyptian deity and Apollo is Greek, there is no real connection, so he kind of thought to himself what the heck is Orion doing out here? It's weird, because I can even remember as a kid seeing that patch and wondering what the heck that was all about. I didn't even know what Orion was, but it seemed like a very odd patch. The question occurred to Richard as he read through some stuff, I wonder if there is any connection in this? I wonder if the fact that there are so many Free Masons at NASA and the fact that they believe in these ancient gods, I wonder if there is anything in the stars that they may have landed at a certain time or at a certain place? He was able to use some astronomical software and go back and look at the landing of Apollo 11. Then he got more interested in the communion ceremony I spoke of earlier with Buzz Aldrin He timed that. He went and looked at transcripts and took a pretty good guess as to when that ceremony would have taken place. He plugged in the time and location. By the way, it was 33 minutes after they landed and sure enough there was this star Sirius or Isis in the religion, in the ancient Egyptian religion and a very important goddess in the Masonic belief system at 19.5 degrees above the landing site which is related to tetrahedral geometry. That 19.5 degrees is very important. As you begin to dig more and more into these special events, these major events in the space program, you discover that they consistently would do certain events when the stars representing some of these Egyptian gods, Isis or Osiris or Horus were at these different power positions 19.5 degrees, 33 degrees, or on the horizon, or on the meridian which is where the Egyptian religion considered to be sacred spots in the sky.

Ken:

He was able to do this with very common software, Red Shift, right?

Michael Bara:

Yeah, Red Shift 2 as a matter of fact.

Ken:

Why do you think that Carl Sagan was so against the idea that intelligent life once appeared on Mars?

Michael Bara:

Well Carl was not against that idea. Early in his career he was very experimental, he was open about life on other planets. He himself, on his seminal tv series Cosmos, made a big deal of the tetrahedral shaped mountains on Mars called the Pyramids of Alesia, that is what he called them. He was always talking about this kind of thing and interestingly, whenever he criticized the ufo community and did debunking, he pretty much left Richard Hoagland out of the equation, even though they knew each other pretty well. He never criticized Richard by name. Never attacked by name, which I always felt was real interesting. .He did at one point write a propaganda piece in Parade Magazine against the face on Mars, the science behind it. You know, used deliberately distorted pictures of the face to make his point. He was just a piece of propaganda. That broke off their relationship, their friendship pretty much ended at that point. A few years later, this is a story that is not in the book, there was a Mars conference and there were people there like Gerard O'Neill the futurist from the late 70s and 80s and Carl was there and Richard was at this conference. Again, one of the topics was about Cydonia, so Richard went to this little panel discussion that was going on, there was Carl, O'Neill and I think Isaac Asimov, I don't recall exactly, but there were the best names in science and science fiction and Richard sat down in the front row and Carl was eventually asked the question by Gerard O'Neill, basically he said why do we even bother going to Mars, why send anymore probes to Mars, why send anything out, why do this stuff if all they are going to do is find a bunch of dead rocks and no life and what is the point? Richard said that at that point Carl turned and looked him right in the eye, which he had not done at that point for 7 or 8 years and looking at Richard the entire time he said, because Gerry , Mars holds surprises. As Richard put it once, he is still waiting for the disc that Carl left.

Ken:

Well listen, I have been talking to you for an hour, I don't want to wear you out, I've got a whole bunch more questions, but I want to be fair to you, would it be alright to ask you some more or have you had enough?

Michael Bara:

I have had enough, but I am also willing to go on, this is good stuff, why don't we do another 20 minutes or so.

Ken:

Okay, great.

I can't help but be fascinated by the fact that the rovers on Mars sometimes have what looks like machine parts in a few of their photos. I saw the robot head that you have a photo of in your book, that was photographed on Mars, it is of particular interest. When you see these objects, do you have an opinion on how far advanced the race that created them might have been?

Michael Bara:

Well it's kind of interesting, because at a conference this weekend here in Los Angeles, Richard was there, I was there, there was a guy that was displaying a lot of pictures of various artifacts that had been taken by the rovers. This is a whole bunch of stuff that certainly looked like machinery of some kind, sheet metal parts of some kind, things that I look at as an aerospace engineer, that are obviously manufactured, obviously not rocks. This guy was pretty intense about the whole thing and trying to give Richard a hard time for not making a bigger deal out of it, but the truth is that there is lots of artifacts in all these pictures. As I look at this stuff, it doesn't look that advanced. In a lot of cases it looks like stuff that is right around our level. Now it may be true that in the next 20, 30 or 50 years we won't advance that much. A lot of this stuff looks like familiar technology, it looks like sheet metal parts. It looks to be like stuff, air conditioners, engines, pumps, things that you would recognize in today's mechanical engineering.

Ken:

I have noticed that myself, yes. I've noticed that and it sort of made me wonder, you know, because it doesn't fit in with the fact that you could have a race of people that could fly to all these different places and yet some of their technology would be so primitive?

Michael Bara:

Air conditioning technology, how much different is it going to get than it is today? I suppose it will require some sort of fan and pump and cooling. Maybe it is just the same, we don't know? These are items that have been recently uncovered. By recently I mean in the last few thousand years. We don't know how old they are. There could have been very different levels of civilization on Mars. As we look at the Cydonia infrared pictures we have this huge cityscape and then we have the monuments above the surface that we think are there. There could definitely be different levels of engineering. To me it doesn't surprise me that we are seeing this kind of stuff, because literarily on this world and not just on Mars, I think that they went there to look for this stuff frankly.

Ken:

It looks that way, yeah.

NASA has indicated many times that they were going to conduct photo sweeps that we know would have yielded spectacular results, only to disappoint us with sub par photos and even photos that many say were altered. Do you think there may be a psychological reason for this and that maybe they wanted us to lose interest in the photos and indeed the entire subject?

Michael Bara:

No I think that they are obligated. Again we talk about this religion that they seem to be following in Dark Mission. I think to some extent they are obligated to give us that which we ask for. We asked for photos, we asked for images of certain things. I think that there is some part of the structure of their civilization, whatever creed they are following that requires them to give it to us, but it doesn't require them to admit to us what they are and I think that it may be that they don't have to give us the whole thing. The pictures that we received are always good enough to advance the ball a few yards forward, but we never get the real smoking gun. We never get anything to flatly say, you have got to be kidding me, this is obviously artificial. Like teeth for example, if there were clearly defined teeth in the face on Mars, it would pretty much put an end to the argument that it is a pile of rocks. Yet on all the images of that area of the face are pretty much blank and yet on earlier lower resolution images there appeared to be something there. The fact that they were lower resolution shouldn't make people be too skeptical, because the truth is that there is a lot of logical reasons and I think we outlined them in the book, why photo resolution if it is showing an image in two different photos taken at two different times, there has to be something there in the shadows that represented the objects that we saw. Yet in the high resolution images there is nothing there that could have possibly created the illusion of teeth in the mouth.

Ken:

Well there was work done where there was some photo enhancements of earlier photos and teeth were clearly visible.

Michael Bara:

Yeah and the thing about it is that those 2 images, the Viking images, were taken from different angles, different sunlight. In other words it could not be image artifacts, because there was nothing else that looked like those teeth anywhere else on those images when they were enhanced. I am totally convinced that there was something there, yet when we get the 4 or 5 pictures that we have now that show the mouth area, there is nothing there that could have even caused the illusion, the mistaken illusion, if it was that, that there were teeth in the mouth. Really that has been only one case. Not only is there the fact that there are these enormous blank areas on the NASA version of the pictures of the face on Mars, I would separate them from the European images, there are always these big blank areas on the face that to me look blatantly tampered with.