Michael Bara is an aerospace engineer. Many strange things are going on in NASA and he and Richard C. Hoagland have written a book entitled "Dark Mission", which talks about what is really going on in that agency. It will surprise you, to say the least.

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Our guest today is Michael Bara, co-author of the fascinating and popular book "Dark Mission".

Ken:

Would you tell the audience about your background.

Michael Bara:

Yeah. I am an aerospace engineer and aerospace consultant that worked for a lot of aerospace companies, both in the defense side of things and placing satellites and commercial airplanes. I also do what they call CAD consulting, computer aided design consulting. It's basically software consulting for engineering specific software packages. Beyond that I have been doing research and writing articles for Richard Hoagland's Enterprise Mission Website for the last 10 years now, so I've known Richard for about 10 or 11 years and I co-wrote this book, "Dark Mission", the secret history of NASA, which just came out back in October.

How did you and Richard Hoagland meet and what made you decide to get together with Hoagland and write the book. It's so controversial, that is why I am asking that question?

Michael Bara:

Well how we met was really interesting. I had worked at a fairly large aerospace company in the Seattle area, which I am sure everybody can figure out. At that time I worked with a gal named Fran and it turned out that later on she was married to a gentlemen named Ken Johnson, who met Richard in 1995 and gave him some Apollo imagery, some early generation prints he had been storing for almost 30 years at that point, 25 years I guess at that point. He started to work with Richard, he attended a press conference with him in Washington DC in 1996. I was kind of in the early version of the Enterprise Mission website. I was on the bulletin board debating the various issues of the day, back and forth. Ken said hey, my wife thinks that she knows you from the company and are you the same guy? I said yeah, I am the same guy. He lived in Seattle and so did I and we got together a few times for dinner and things like that. Then he introduced me to Richard, I guess in 1998 when the first Global Surveyor images on Mars came out. I offered Richard an article, he wanted an article on image enhancement for his website. He said sure write it up, so I wrote it up and he liked it and I wrote some more stuff for him and he liked it and pretty soon we were working together pretty closely on just about all the big stories on subjects that we were covering over the last 10 years. So out of that, I guess in 2002, I said you haven't written a book in over 20 years and it is probably the time to put some of the stuff together in one concise format or in one concise place, in a single book, so people can sort of piece this thing together in a real sequential, linear way, because the biggest issue I think that you have with the internet, is that we give stuff away for free and people don't completely appreciate it, is one problem and the other thing is that people forget this thread that connects with that other thread. If you put it together in one place and you show them the whole picture and the sequence of events, then I think that it is easier for people to put together that these things and these events are connected and see how a pattern develops. So that was the process behind the book and that is how all that started and it took a lot longer to write than I actually thought it would.

Ken:

Yeah, 4 years right?

Michael Bara:

Yeah and it is actually half of the original amount of information that we wanted to put in it, so there is more to come I think.

Ken:

Good.

How and why did you get interested in the abnormalities on the moon and mars?

Michael Bara:

Well that is also pretty interesting. I heard about the face on Mars in 1976. I remembered that from the newspaper articles. I remembered NASA's explanation that it was a trick of light and shadow. I have always been somebody that just didn't believe that we were getting the whole story. I remember as a young kid watching all the Gemini Apollo missions and space and just not believing that we were getting the whole story and recognizing that there were things that just didn't make sense to me. Like I specifically remember on Apollo 11, I was saying to myself as I was watching Neil Armstrong walk on the moon, I kept saying to myself, you know my family has color tv, so why are we getting this really crappy grainy black and white picture? These things bothered me and actually later it ended up in Dark Mission. A story about that ended up in Dark .......

Ken:

I read it.

Michael Bara:

Oh, okay.

Ken:

I read the whole book.

Moon
Photo Source: NASA

Michael Bara:

I'm sure you did. So from that, in the early 90s again, my brother had talked to me and said he had heard more recent stuff about the face on Mars, that they had done some more image analysis of it and it did start to look more and more like a face. Some of the NASA explanations just didn't quite add up. Then I got transferred to a swing shift on my job at that large aerospace company in the Pacific Northwest and I started driving home at midnight. I would be done with my shift and I would drive home. Coast to Coast AM was just starting to come on the air at that time, .with Art Bell and Richard was a fairly frequent guest. I didn't really know who this guy was, but I liked listening to him. Another part of the story which alludes me was that after Mars Observer disappeared in 1993, Richard had called a press conference and made some rather strong statements about NASA not being completely honest about what had happened to it and about some weird things that had happened with that mission. Again that is in the book too. I saw him on the McNeill Lehrer News Hour, which is a pretty prestigious news program, at least it was at that time. I was really impressed with him, how smart he was, how he had an answer to everything, how careful he was not to jump to conclusions. It seemed like he was a really rational, reasonable guy. He was talking about a very bizarre subject and he seemed to be taken very seriously. One night at work I was walking through the hallways at lunch hour and I came across a bunch of my co-workers in a conference room and they were all watching a video of him speaking at the UN. Then I said it's not that same guy again, then eventually I realized it was the same guy on the video tape that was on the radio. That started me getting fascinated, I think that the UN video was extremely impressive with the way he put together his arguments and I was really attracted to it, because I thought to myself that this is something that can be proven, it is something that can be verified some day. It's not like ufos and abductions and things like that, that I don't believe that you are ever going to prove to everybody's satisfaction. This it seemed like with better pictures, we would be able to tell, at least from an engineers perspective. It seemed to me that if we got better pictures than we would be able to track them to a conclusion and that is why I chose this over other things like ufo investigations, abductions and things like that, that were out there.

Ken:

In the book you discuss power struggles between different factions involved in space exploration and then in NASA after if was formed. You mention the fact that the Nazis seemed to have a secret agenda and that was to celebrate things like Hitler's birthday by performing memorable events on this day. How do you think that they got away with this without anyone noticing, or do you think the powers that be just looked the other way and if you remember, would you tell us about those events?

Michael Bara:

Sure.What you are talking about as a for instance, is that we have landed on the surface of the moon twice on Adolph Hitler's birthday on April 20th. Once was in 1968 I think, it might have been in 1967, but it was Surveyor 2 and it landed on the moon in Oceanic Pallariuim and later Apollo 12 landed at that same sacred site. It was partly as an exercise to see if they could actually find Surveyor 2 at a very precise location. The other time was with Apollo 16. This was a manned mission unlike the Surveyor probe. Actually there were little delays that made the clock slip over from April 19th to April 20th. Based on that stuff and a whole bunch of other information that is in the book, we came to the conclusion that the NAZI faction in NASA, that was very extensive and very deep and very wide, inside of NASA, we thought that they had obviously manipulated these events. They had picked this date for a reason. In terms of how they got away with it, I think that the Masons, which is another organization, the Scottish Right Free Masons, that were also operating in NASA at the same time and were essentially doing the same thing. They were picking certain dates and times for landing on the moon, when the stars were in a certain position, honoring ancient Egyptian gods which were the root gods of the Free Masonic belief system. We pretty much put all that stuff down and we documented it extensively and put it down in the book and even more so on the web. I think that they didn't have to get away with it, I think that everybody was doing this. I think each of these different factions at NASA and we have spoken primarily about 3 of them, but the Free Masons, the NAZIs and the JPL crowd that we refer to as the magicians, they were all doing it, so I don't think that they were doing anything that wasn't okay with the other powers that were inside NASA, since it was ok with the guys that were in the know of the real reasons why we landed in a certain place and at a certain time on the moon.

Ken:

Your book states that Buzz Aldrin took a Masonic Flag to the moon and brought in back and it was presented to the head of his Masonic Lodge. How did you find this out and was this authorized by NASA if you know?

Michael Bara:

Well there is a couple of things about that. It wasn't really the head of his Masonic Lodge. He brought that flag back and presented it to the head of the Scottish Right, Southern Jurisdiction, for the United States of America. In other words to the top guy of the Southern Jurisdiction. The US is divided into a Northern Jurisdiction and a Southern Jurisdiction for the Scottish Right Free Masons They are also an appended body, sort of an off shoot of the standard Free Masons. So when people talk about 32 or 33 degree Free Masons, they are really talking about the Scottish Right. So it just wasn't the head of his lodge, it was the top guy in the world for the Scottish Right Free Masons that he gave the flag to. All the astronauts were allowed personal packs to take to the moon. They were very small suitcase sized, more like brief case sized cases. They could take personal items to the moon with them. I know that for instance, Jim Irwin on Apollo 15 took a bunch of beta cloth or fiberglass type flags They were just little sheets of this beta cloth which is what the spacesuits are made of and they had the American flag embroidered on them and he took about 150 of them to the moon and he actually gave Ken Johnson a bunch of them. Ken had mentioned him earlier and he was in bible study with him at the time at NASA. Ken subsequently gave me one, so in my home here I have actually got a little beta cloth sheet, a little fiberglass sheet with a flag that actually got to the moon with Apollo 15. Astronauts were actually allowed to take these personal packs with them and bring them back. In fact, one of the astronauts, Dave Scott, who was on Apollo 15, actually was drummed out of the astronaut corps because he had apparently taken a bunch of little items, I forget what they were exactly, they were little nicknacks, little Mercury space capsules or something, little toys. He took them to the moon and when he came back he was selling them for money and he actually got drummed out of the astronaut corps. Buzz chose what ever his personal items were, we know a bottle of wine and some chalices. He used them for a ceremony on the moon, but another thing he kept was his Masonic flag. I don't know if he had to have NASA's permission to do that, but Buzz has made no secret of his Masonic associations, he is very proud of it, he wears his grandfathers 33 degree Masonic signet ring on his left hand and in fact the official crew portraits for Apollo 11, if you get a high enough resolution version....

Ken:

Yeah I have seen the ring.

Michael Bara:

He wore that and not his wedding ring for his official portrait for Apollo 11. I don't know how that went over with Mrs. Aldrin, the first Mrs. Aldrin, but maybe that is why she is the first, I don't know? He clearly displays it, he wants everyone to see it, so he made no secret of his fraternal associations.

Ken:

Getting to the topic of Mars, you state that winds of up to 300 mph blow across Cydonia. Are there any high winds blowing around the spirit or opportunity sites?

Mars
Photo Source: NASA

Michael Bara:

Well they have had some experience with dust devils and things like that, but it is important to know that Mars will have these dust storms with winds that do exceed 300 miles per hour, but it is kind of a weird thing. Because of the lack of sufficient air pressure on Mars, a 50 or 60 mile wind would feel like a gentle breeze if you were standing on Mars, because the air or atmosphere is so thin. Velocity is not the whole story there. There are some winds, whether they are cleaning off the solar panels is a question that we really don't have the answer to.

Ken:

That is an interesting point, I haven't heard that one before.

It seems that some of the better photos that were taken of Mars structures were taken on the Viking mission that occurred years before the current missions. Why is NASA displaying inferior photos, in some cases, of different areas of Mars?

Michael Bara:

Well I don't know if I agree with that 100%. I think the data from Viking was more honest, but it could afford to be more honest, because there was less resolution, I think at best 25 or 30 meters per pixel, depending on the conditions of the day, the amount of sunlight and that kind of thing. That was good enough to raise questions, but not good enough to prove anything. What I have noticed is that when Mars Global Surveyor or now Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter have photographed structures that we think are interesting or are potentially artificial, actually at this point Richard and I are in complete agreement that they are artificial, whenever that have done that, they always seem to have bad weather conditions or something that makes the images less than perfect. The one Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter image that was taken of Mars is by far the worst MRL image that I have ever seen. There is no other image that has been released that matches it in terms of noise in the image, a lack of quality and there are even spots on it that I am convinced have been airbrushed, or that a blur tool has been used on them and blurred things out. The quality of the imagery, why isn't it better? It actually is better than some of the Viking stuff, but it is no where as good in either case with the Global Surveyor or the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. It's no where near the capacity of the camera so it seems that we have this really bad stroke of luck with Cydonia, or with things that we are interested in. Things like we always have bad conditions when ever we want to take a picture

Ken:

I have seen photos of many strange looking things on Mars, including a perfect man's dress shoe print that I found in the background of a panorama from NASA and posted to my website. Do you think that it is possible that we have already landed there and that there is more of an atmosphere than we have been led to expect or that the photos are just not legitimate in some cases?

Cydonia Region Of Mars, Face On Top
Photo Source: NASA

Michael Bara:

Well that particular image, you sent it earlier to me today and I just had a chance to look at it and I really didn't spend too much time on it. It could be what you say it is I don't know why we would send guys to Mars with dress shoes, but it could be some other kind of boot, or something or it could be something entirely different. I guess the question is an interesting question. More and more when Richard and I talk about it, we are beginning to suspect that there are a whole bunch of things about Mars that they have told us that aren't true. I think at this point that we have to consider that the environment of Mars, the actual real temperatures, the density of the atmosphere, they may have lied to us about some of this stuff too. They may have wanted it to seem more of an inhabitable hell than it really is. Then there was some thermal data from the Mars Surveyor, actually I think it was from THEMIS, the thermal infrared imager on Mars Odyssey 2001 mission. It showed that the surface temperature of Mars, gets up as high as 68 degrees in the summer time. It would only be 68 degrees within the first 2 or 3 feet of the biosphere, if you were laying on your back it would be comfortably warm during the daytime, but above that it would be -40 or something if you stood up, so it definitely proves that Mars gets warmer than we ever thought before we got there.

Ken:

So it proves that it has the right temperature for plants that would only grow a foot or so high.

Michael Bara:

That is correct. So that plants and stuff and also you could have liquid water at that temperature, even if the atmosphere isn't that dense. I think that we really don't know the atmosphere of Mars for sure. We have pretty good ideas, but we don't know for sure, assuming that the data we have gotten so far is honest.