Mr. Dennis Balthaser is a world famous ufo investigator and former board member of the UFO Museum at Roswell. He is also an expert on the pyramids. http://truthseekeratroswell.com

Ken, webmaster of About Facts Net. http://aboutfacts.net Webmaster@aboutfacts.net

Ken:

I want to get back to the signs at Area 51, the ones that say that deadly force can be used. Do you know of anyone ever getting shot or killed while trying to get close to it or even disappearing for that matter?

Dennis Balthaser:

Well I talked to a guy that happened to go past the boundary, there is no fence. The signs are at the roads that lead in, there are 2 entrances. One of them has no gates and you have to go 1/4 of a mile, around some sand dunes, before you get to the guard house. If you get that far, you have been on the property for 1/4 of a mile and they have you. What I understand they do is call the local sheriff and you will be arrested, you will be interrogated for a period of time and fines can run anywhere from $500 to $6,000 and I guarantee you that they will know where you are at for the rest of your life. The other gate that I went to has 2 drop down gates. There is a drop down gate, a guardhouse and then there is another drop down gate with stop signs on it. So if you get inside there, I think that is where deliveries are made., they get inside the guardhouse. There is a camera mounted on a 20 to 30 foot pole and I walked down along the boundary and that camera followed me everywhere I went. Every once in a while I would harass them and stop and wave at the camera a little bit. It's got to be a boring job for a guard to sit out there in the middle of nowhere and wait for someone to come up.

Ken:

Did you notice any other electronic devices while you were there?

Dennis Balthaser:

Yeah, they have..., they can monitor what ever you are saying at the gate, because they have equipment set up in the hills, listening equipment and they also have tv cameras that goes back to the main base, into the guard houses, where they keep track of people that are roaming around out there. These are all solar powered, so they're full time.

Ken:

I've seen pictures where you can actually see devices sticking out of the ground, they look like little radar antennas and things....

Dennis Balthaser:

And the boundary is marked by, I guess that every 50 or 100 yards there is a pole with a sphere on top of it. A metal looking sphere, the boundary markers, that's for the planes that patrol it, the helicopters and F-16s that patrol it. The air space is restricted and if you are anywhere near it, you will be asked by the tower to vector away and if you don't, you could be met by an F-16.

Area 51 Guard Shack
Photo Source: Dennis Balthaser

Ken:

What other places do you think might exist where they are trying to back engineer ufos? Some of these theories state that these open places that are open to satellites are really not being used that much, that they may be using buildings inside of cities for example.

Dennis Balthaser:

Well that is another reason for what we hear is 22 levels below ground. The United States has signed an agreement with most other countries where they can over fly a country so many times a year. The Russians can over fly daily. That was one of the reasons for going underground. We couldn't do anything above ground anymore because of satellites and things like that. The United States is not the only one that does that, but it makes sense that you can't do any secretive work above ground anymore so it is either done inside a hanger or below ground and they could easily utilize buildings within a city that would be unsuspecting.

Ken:

Yeah that is how the story goes. Getting back to the business about the fight underground between the aliens and the humans, the story that I heard was that the United States allowed the aliens to conduct tests on a certain amount of humans and they had to provide a list of who they were going to test. The aliens tested too many people and we went to complain and the fight broke out. Is that how you hear it too?

Dennis Balthaser:

No, the one that I heard was that they were drilling, using drilling equipment to go down below Dulce and when they broke through, there was an underground base there with aliens and military people and a fight broke out. Are you familiar about the story about Eisenhower at Holloman Air Force Base?

Ken:

Only vaguely, you can tell me again.

Dennis Balthaser:

Supposedly he was in Georgia hunting Quail, at a ranch he normally hunted at and was taken out of there and flown to Holloman Air Force Base, down around the border which is about 100 miles south of here. The Columbine airplane, which was Air Force One back then, landed, turned around and then stopped and waited. and didn't go up to the hanger or anywhere else. Shortly there after, there were 2 craft that came down and he went inside one of them.

Ken:

Oh yes, now I remember, you can keep going.

Dennis Balthaser:

He was gone for 45 minutes and made an agreement. There was also a report of him being at MUROC, which is Edwards Air Force Base today, where he also had a meeting with them and at the time, where it was told that he gave permission for Americans to be abducted as long as they were returned to the original location and had no memory of it, in return for technology. I can not prove this, but this is something that is surely an interesting story and something that I would like to verify someday.

Ken:

There are indications that the our government has really increased the amount of digging it is doing underground. Do you think that any of this is for the benefit of the aliens?

Dennis Balthaser:

No, I think it is for our own benefit. We believe that most of the military bases, at least in the western United States, are connected with tunnels. There is plenty of equipment and personnel to do this. I have a copy of a nuclear boring machine that was developed at Los Alamos in 1973. I have the patent number and the drawing. This thing can go through the ground, melt the rock and dirt into a magma, push it into the wall and make a glass like lining, meaning that nothing has to come above ground or go below ground. The thing could be beneath me right now and I wouldn't know it.

Ken:

Oh, interesting.

Dennis Balthaser:

There are several other different types of boring machines that are used. There is a lot of experience with coal, diamonds and different things that we have developed over the years. There has been a lot of it done with commercial use, like the chunnel, between France and England. They used something like 6 of these boring machines to make the chunnel. Many of the cities use it for water tunnels and things like that. It is an easily accessible technology to use. I am convinced that the Air Force uses it, because I saw one with an Air Force emblem on it. The Pentagon owns at least one of them that I know of.

Ken:

Supposedly ufos were spotted flying in and out of the earth between India and the Chinese border. Do you think that there might be an underground base there?

Dennis Balthaser:

There are reports of these underground bases world wide, even under the ocean. There have been reports of unidentified flying objects coming out from under the surface of water and going back into the water. Many nations have reported these things coming out. Up at Dulce, in New Mexico, they claim that they come out of the mountain. There are locations world wide.

Ken:

Sometimes I wonder about that, if ufos can go under the water where we can't reach them, why would they want to go under the ground?

Dennis Balthaser:

I don't know, I can't answer that.

Ken:

That's just a thought.

Dennis Balthaser:

Yeah, we don;t know. Good point though.

Area 51 Signs
Photo Source: Dennis Balthaser

Ken:

Do you believe that aliens are visiting the earth and that there might be more than one race and if so that these aliens might be at different levels of technology?

Dennis Balthaser:

Yes, yes and yes. I am convinced that not only are we being visited, but we have been visited for a long, long, time, much longer than Roswell. There are tapestries and art work back to the 13th and 14th centuries where the artist shows, what appears to be craft of some kind in the drawings and the tapestries. The species, we used to think 5 or 6, now we think maybe 50 or 60. That doesn't surprise me, if you look at the insects on earth, there are still insects and animals being found that we know nothing about. If you compare the earth to the universe as far as size, the universe is limitless. I don't think that they are here to do any destruction, I think that they are here to monitor us, because I think they are concerned about us self destructing or going into space and sharing our weapons where they are.

Ken:

Some people think that ufos, if they actually exist, are not being piloted by aliens, but by some ancient race from the earth. Have you heard that one?

Dennis Balthaser:

You are talking dimensions, that's a theory. We are either a future of ourselves or are a post of ourselves and that is a dimensional problem rather than an alien problem.

Ken:

A lot of interest has been generated by cattle mutilations. Some have said that they are really being done by humans to examine the effects of radiation from former nuclear bomb tests, on cattle and people in the mid west. What are your feelings on the subject?

Dennis Balthaser:

If it was our government doing mutilations would they not just go to a rancher or a farmer and say, I want a cow rather than take it the way they do? I don't do mutilations, I don't do sightings. I limited myself years ago to Roswell, underground bases, Area 51 and originally the pyramids, because I found that if you try and be knowledgeable in all the aspects of ufology, pretty soon you don't know anything. So I try and concentrate on those 4 areas, but I do maintain an interest in sightings, mutilations, abductions and things like that. Right now, for me, mutilations have never been explained properly, but I think, I know that at Area 51 they check both humans and cattle every so often, because there is radiation leakage coming from Area 51. So I am of the opinion that if it was the government doing this, they would just tell the rancher, I want one of your cows and what could he do? He would have to give them one

Ken:

That's true. A lot of governments have been releasing ufo data. Do you think that any of them are withholding information, even though they claim not to be? I am not talking about the U.S. which has not really released......

Dennis Balthaser:

You're talking about the UK, Britain, France and you're talking about Brazil.

Electronic Surveillance At Area 51
Photo Source: Dennis Balthaser

Ken:

Yeah right. Do you think that they are really forthcoming with 100% of their ufo data?

Dennis Balthaser:

No, I think that they are just like the United States, they are making a big splash to make it look good. I think that they are giving you what they want. I don't know that we will ever get the information. I am convinced that this is controlled by a few people, not including the president. I don't believe that the president is involved because he is a temporary employee and can't be trusted. He is there for 8 years and then gone. I think that he is informed, but not detailed. This has been proven over and over since Truman.

Ken:

Except maybe for this president, right?

Dennis Balthaser:

If there was any president that knew anything, it was probably Bush Sr., because he was head of the CIA...

Ken:

Well that is precisely why I am saying probably not this president, he probably knows because of his father.

Dennis Balthaser:

If his father shared it with him and he may not have. I think Bush Sr. would probably be one of the few. I know Reagan was very interested and he talked to Gorbachev, the Russian Premier, about ufos. He made a statement at the United Nations and was told, don't ever make a statement like that again.

Ken:

He actually made about 8 statements.

Dennis Balthaser:

Yeah. Clinton was interested in it and sent an aid named Hepplewhite to find out about the Kennedy assassination and Roswell. He came back and said that he couldn't find anything.

Ken:

Nixon seems to have found out about it.

Dennis Balthaser:

Nixon was friends with Jackie Gleason.

Ken:

That's right I know the story.

More Area 51 Electronic Surveillance
Photo Source: Dennis Balthaser

Dennis Balthaser:

Supposedly in Florida they saw the craft and bodies. I am working on that one too. There is so much of this that is rumor and can't be proven and in this field you can't come out with anything, unless it can be verified, because there are too many standing on the sidelines that will jump on you and disprove it. I'm convinced doing shows like yours, writing editorials and doing lectures, I can say anything that I want to, because they can deny it.

Ken:

Right. What are your thoughts on the O'Hare ufo? Why do you think that a ufo would go over a gate and sit there for a half hour without moving, knowing that they are in the middle of a busy airport and everybody's going to know about it? Do you think they are getting ready for first contact, or that maybe there was first contact already and the government won't tell anybody, so they want us to know?

Dennis Balthaser:

I think that maybe it has to do with exposure on their part, educating the public perhaps, but you saw how that was handled, the Federal Aviation Agency said it was a weather phenomena that punched a hole in the cloud when it left. The same thing is true down in Stephenville, Texas last week. This morning the Navy came out and said, oh by the way we did have 10 F-16s flying around that area a week and a half ago, we didn't know it. Excuse me, how stupid do they think we are? You're talking a lot of money to put 10 F-16s into the air for something and they don't know about it?

Ken:

Yeah it is, it is very ridiculous.

Dennis Balthaser:

The Phoenix Lights were supposed to be flares by the Maryland National Guard. If that is the case bring them back, drop the flares again and let's see what it looks like. It's easy to resolve.

Ken:

Bruce Maccabee, you know Bruce Maccabee, Dr. Bruce Maccabee?

Dennis Balthaser:

Yep.

Ken

I had an interview with him and he was studying the Phoenix Lights, it was very interesting.

Well at this point, here is your chance to make any statement that you would like to make.

Dennis Balthaser:

(laughing)

Ken:

(laughing) Everybody laughs when I say that.

Dennis Balthaser:

(still laughing) Boy was that a setup. Well let me push my website, truthseekeratroswell.com. I've got a lot of information on there. I write editorials about every other month on these 4 areas that I research. I always look for comments from people, I get about 100 to 150 emails a day of which I probably delete about 90%, but I do try and respond to all the emails that I get from people that have questions or comments about any of the research and the subject in general. I think we need the media to get onboard and be truthful with the public and not make light of these incidents that are taking place. I think that there is something happening right now, with O'Hare, Phoenix Lights, Stephenville Texas. These are things that have not been proven, I will not go as far as to say that they are things from extraterrestrials, but I will say that they are ufos because at this point they haven't been identified and that is what a ufo is, an unidentified flying object.

Ken:

Dennis I want to thank you, that was very interesting.