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Interview With Dennis Balthaser 24 January, 2008
Part I of III (Goto Part II) (Goto Part III)
Ken: Our guest today is Dennis Balthaser, the famous ufo investigator and former board member of the International UFO Museum at Roswell, New Mexico. Mr Balthaser, can I call you Dennis? Dennis Balthaser: You bet.
The 3 Giza Pyramids and 3 Ssmaller Ones Ken: Okay, you can call me Ken. I understand that you are on the advisory board of the Great Pyramid of Giza Research Association, is this correct? Dennis Balthaser: That's right, I was asked a couple of years ago to join that. It is a pretty elite group of about 30 or 31 members from around the world and they had done extensive research, primarily on the 3 pyramids in Giza, on the Giza plateau, not necessarily on the other pyramids in Egypt. The reason being that we believe that these pyramids are much older than we have been told all these years. Ken: Do you believe that maybe these 3 pyramids. were not built by the Egyptians, but maybe by some older race? Dennis Balthaser: I am pretty well convinced of it and Stephen Mehler, one of our board members has done some research and has found a civilization known as Khemitians, who lived in North Africa prior to the Egyptian civilization, 10,000 to 15,000 years ago and supposedly had contact with star people. The face on the Sphinx pretty much resembles a black woman and the Khemitian civilization was a black civilization living in North Africa, predominately controlled by the female gender, so there could be some connection there. Another researcher that I found out about was Ken Klein. He has taken this back to the biblical interpretation, because he found salt water. The pyramid may have been under water one time to a certain height, which could go back to the time of Noah's flood. He believes that it was built in the time of Enoch, this was only 7 or 8 generations back from the time of Adam. We believe that it is really from 15,000 to 50,000 years old. We have always been told from people that researched it, that it was a tomb for Kufu of the 4th dynasty and there has never been any indication that there was ever anybody buried in that pyramid. We know that Kufu wasn't and the only statue ever found of Kufu is about 3 inches tall and is in the Cairo museum. So there was nothing left in there for Kufu's afterlife and nothing to acknowledge Kufu's reign inside the pyramid. Ken: There are so many reasons that have been given for the arrangement of the pyramids. The most popular one I think, is that the 3 pyramids represent the belt in Orion and the Nile represents the Milky Way. Do you agree with that theory? Dennis Balthaser: I definitely agree with the Orion belt theory, because the alignment is very similar if not exact to what the Orion belt stars look like. The Nile River, years ago, was about 9 miles west of where it is today. It has changed course over time as many rivers do, but that is a theory that I have heard, that the Nile River represents the Milky Way. Ken: Do you feel that the construction of the pyramids, in Egypt had any relation to aliens and that maybe they assisted in the construction? Dennis Balthaser: That is where the Khemitians come in, because if they had contact with star people, I am not saying the the Khemitians built them or that ETs built them, but that the technology could have come from there. My background is civil engineering, 33 years with the Texas' Highway Department inspecting materials used in the construction of roads and bridges and some pretty big structures and today using modern materials we can not duplicate the building of the 3 pyramids.7 Ken: Well I wasn't going to ask this question, but it comes to mind. Some of the experts in the building of the pyramids claim that stones used in the building of the pyramids may not have been quarried, but were molded in place somehow. Have you ever heard that theory? Dennis Balthaser: They were what? Ken: Actually molded into place. Dennis Balthaser: No, the information that we have is that we know where that quarry is and as a matter of fact there are still some stones in that quarry that were not used. What most people don't realize is that what you see today is not the original pyramids, because they were all covered with polished limestone and that was all taken off by Arabs and various groups that built mosques and different things. There is only 1 pyramid left that has any of the covering stones, the facing stones left, It is believed that the pyramids could have been seen from outer space and possibly the moon when the sun reflected off of those polished surfaces. If you do the math on building the pyramids and you go by what the Egyptologists have told us, that it was 20,000 or 30,000 people over a 20 or 30 year period, they would have had to quarry and transport up the Nile River, 2.5 million stones and lay one every 90 seconds, 24/7 and that wasn't possible either, because the Nile River flooded certain times of the year, so construction couldn't have been done as far as getting the material from the quarries. It just doesn't make any sense to go with that theory, because if you do the math on it, it is impossible. We are talking 400 feet in the air with some of those stones that weigh anywhere from 2 to 7 tons. In the king's chamber the stones across the ceiling of that thing are stones that weigh up to 80,000 pounds, I don't even know if there were craft or barges that were able to handle anything like that?
Sphinx
Ken: Graham Hancock states that the Sphinx was originally painted red. Do you think that this was correct and if so, that there was some relationship between the Sphinx and the red planet Mars? Dennis Balthaser: I think that the Sphinx was painted at one time, at least the face portion of it. The problem is that we didn't even know that the Sphinx had a body until about the mid 1800s because it was covered in sand until about the mid 1800s. Then it was uncovered and the body and the paws were found, so we really don't know the background on the Sphinx Ken: I see where you wrote in an article that Ken Klein believed that the 3 large pyramids were not built by the Egyptians. I was wondering how does he get around the fact that ancient Egyptian records state that Kufu's brother managed the construction and the graffiti that has been found inside the pyramids, in inaccessible places that seems to indicate that Egyptian gangs hauled the stones? Dennis Balthaser: The graffiti was put on at a much later date. That is a proven fact, that the graffiti has been added, but again I'll go back to the fact that the Arabs were the first to go inside the Great Pyramid and all they found was an empty coffer. box and any pharaoh that was buried had all his possessions for the after life and hieroglyphs and paintings and different things to celebrate his life to prepare him for the after life. None of that has ever been found in the Great Pyramid. There is no record that Kufu was ever buried there and as a matter of fact, we are positive that he wasn't and the fact is that the only statue that was ever found of him was that 3 inch tall one that is in the Cairo Museum. Ken: Some say that the shafts that were found in the great pyramid point to holy locations in the heavens and that ceremonies were conducted there that had something to do with fertility rights, do you think that this is true? Dennis Balthaser: The Great Pyramid is the only one in Egypt that has both ascending and descending air passages. The problem is why would a dead pharaoh need air? Ken: That is a good question.
Dennis Balthaser Between Lectures Dennis Balthaser: Maybe that was his access for the after life, but we just don't think that the pyramids were built for that. We think that they were machines of some kind, Possibly energy machines. One of the researches spent 2 nights on top of the Great Pyramid with some equipment and he is convinced that it is an energy machine that is connected to the sunspot cycle. That is something that we are working on now too and he said that there is a bubble surrounding it, an energy field of some kind, wrapped around it. The actual requirements and why it was built are actually unknown. There are really no records anywhere in Egypt of how the pyramids were built. The only possibility we are looking at is under one of the paws of the Sphinx, there is a chamber. Right now they won't let anybody go in. Ken: That was my next question. Dennis Balthaser: It is my belief that tourism is a big business in Egypt and it is going to be hard to convince the world that the pyramids were not built by the Egyptians and I can understand that, but the proof just isn't there that they built them. All the other pyramids in Egypt, I think that there are 85 or 90, were built by the Egyptians. If you look at those 85 or 90 other pyramids, or those in Mexico, or in the far east, they are extremely poor replicas of the original three. Its never been duplicated. Ken: That's true. Do you think that there is any relationship between the early builders in Egypt and some of the builders in South America that erected cities on tops of mountains using huge stones? Dennis Balthaser: Well that is a theory Ken, the Mayans supposedly go back to about 2500 BC and that is a good time period if you tie it in with the Egyptians, Egyptologists tell us. That could be true as far as all the other pyramids in Egypt, but again we go back to the 3 at Giza and they don't match, as far as the timeline. Ken: There is a famous Egyptian wall painting of Egyptians worshiping a god that looks very much like what we consider today a gray. Do you think that Egyptians might have met extraterrestrials? Dennis Balthaser: I don't think that the Egyptians did, but the Khemitians supposedly did. They were the civilization prior to the Egyptians.. I really don't think that the Egyptians did. I think that they profited from what was already there and tried to duplicate it and did a poor job of duplicating it.
Zahi Hawass Ken: Zahi Hawass, the Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, has become quite a tv celebrity. Some believe that he has been standing in the way of investigations by non Egyptians, into the Sphinx and underground areas under the pyramids. Do you feel that way and if so, why? Dennis Balthaser: That is exactly true and it is our hope that the man will retire soon. We heard rumors that he may be thinking of retiring. He is on the payroll for the tourist industry and he is the head of the antiquity group and some of the stuff he says on television has absolutely been disproven. He will not surrender that for his own security and Egypt's security as far as tourism goes and trying to convince the world that the stuff is Egyptian while in fact we are pretty sure it's not. Ken: Going back to what you said before about the pyramids being giant machines, that sort of indicates to me that there is more to them than we know. Dennis Balthaser: Oh without a doubt. Ken: Maybe something underground, maybe even the present day Egyptians have discovered this and are not telling anyone, what do you think? Dennis Balthaser: Yeah, yeah. That is a very good possibility Ken and the other thing is as time goes on, we are going to find a lot more under the sand in the area of Egypt that nobody knows anything about. It is my understanding that there are other places where it looks like the tops of other pyramids are sticking out from the sand. Until all that can be uncovered, we may never know the answer to this and the thing is that this is the only thing from the 7 wonders of the world still standing. The engineering involved in those things, the technology involved to build them, is mind boggling. Like I said my background is civil engineering and we can not duplicate what has been done thousands of years ago. Ken: Oh I know that they are extremely accurate as far as orientation.. Dennis Balthaser: You are talking 1/4 inch on each side and 1/50 of an inch between stones. How were the stones even cut in the quarry? That goes back to what you said about perhaps molded, but I don't believe molding was the answer, I believe that they were actually cut from a quarry. I don't know how, possibly water, vibration, those are theories that I have looked at also.
Unidentified Flying Object Ken: I sort of hate to talk about Roswell since... Dennis Balthaser: Oh don't hate it, it won't go away, you might as well. Ken: ...since so much as been said about it, but I would be remiss to let this opportunity slip by, since you have studied the subject for so long. So let me ask you, first of all how many crash sites are there? Dennis Balthaser: I don't know if I have enough fingers for that. You have, what I consider the main site the Foster ranch, where Mac Brazel a rancher found the materials 60 miles northwest of town. You have the site in the Capitan mountain which is west of town and was made popular by Jim Ragsdale, in the early to mid 90s. You have the Corn ranch site made famous by Schmitt and Randall in their 2 books about Roswell. Stanton Freidman talks about the Plains of St. Augustine, west of Roswell, possibly involving 2 craft, one coming down there and the other at the Foster ranch. Then there are rumors of one or two other sites, but looking at this like I have full time for the last 12 years and talking and working with other researchers like Stanton Freidman and other researchers, I am convinced that the Foster ranch where Mac Brazel found the material, is the main site that was the debris field. Now whether it went back up and became airborne and went down somewhere else, there has been a report that the bodies were found 1 1/2 miles from that site, perhaps having been in a capsule of some kind and ejected or thrown out. The crash sites are difficult, because we have had these different stories, I don't put any confidence in the Jim Ragsdale site in the Capitan mountain, primarily because he came out with 2 affidavits about 2 different locations with 2 different stories and the UFO Museum was profiting from that by selling the video and book and I don't put a whole lot of confidence in that one. Ken: The story goes that Major Marcel brought home some sort of material from a crashed ufo and one of the things was a piece of memory metal. It was a sheet of metal that was light and you could bend it into any shape and it would spring back to its original shape. I have seen his son talk about it many times, but all of a sudden now he seems to be denying everything. Have you noticed that? Dennis Balthaser: No, he just came out with a new book last summer, Jessie Marcel Jr., where he talks about his legacy where he probably relives the last 60 years and what his family and his dad's family went through. Jessie Marcel, Major Marcel was the top intelligence officer in the military in 1947. He had no reason to make up a story and definitely knew the difference between a weather balloon and anything else, having been to military schools within 2 or 3 years of the event. He was the top man in the military as far as intelligence, however he also was the scapegoat for the Roswell incident, because when he took the material to General Ramey's office and was posed for pictures that were taken in the General's office, he said until the day he died that the material that he posed with was not the material he found. Ken: Yeah I am aware of that. Dennis Balthaser: He took the heat for it really. Jessie Marcel Jr. had the utmost admiration for him. He has retired from the military 3 times, at the age of 68 he was called up to active duty and went to the mid east. He flew 235 missions as a helicopter pilot and as a doctor at 68 years of age. This is not a fly by night guy. He was a medical doctor in Helen, Montana, still is employed by the Veterans Administration Hospital up there. I know Jessie fairly well, in fact I am going to be the master of ceremonies at the Aztec Symposium at New Mexico in March and Jessie is one of our speakers that I get to introduce. I know Jessie well, I respect him and I would highly recommend his book, "The Roswell Legacy", because in there he reveals some things about his dad that we didn't know before, some of the meetings they had and what they went through. He was quiet pretty much about this all these years and 60 years later he has finally come out with a book. Ken: Is there any part of the Roswell story that most people are unaware of? I mean the story has been told a million times. Is there anything that maybe has never come out, well I shouldn't say never come out, that has come out, but has been squelched and the general public doesn't know about it? Dennis Balthaser: Well I think we have a good example of that with the Stephenville Texas sighting last week. The military and the government are extremely good at cover up and have been for many years. Young people in this country are accepting that and that is unfortunate. They have to start asking questions of the military and the government and demand answers because we are being lied to. Witnesses to the Roswell incident are probably the key thing. I do not have any physical evidence, or a piece of metal or a piece of an alien or anything like that. Just the witnesses over the years and I have probably interviewed 100 to 150 witnesses. There has been hundreds of witnesses that have been interviewed about this and it is not a story that they make up. The story died for 30 years. A few days after it happened, it was then covered up and nothing happened again until 1978 when Stanton Freidman found Major Marcel in Louisiana and interviewed him and the research began again. We have been lied to 4 times in 60 years by the Air Force. The first time was the press release that Walter Haut put out on July 8, 1947, saying that we have a flying saucer in our possession. This is the only time in the history of the United States that the media said we had one. Then the next day General Ramey came out and said no, it was a weather balloon. They didn't know what they were talking about. The people that he was saying that didn't know what they were talking about, were the 509th Bomb Wing. They dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end the second world war and they were stationed here in Roswell. These were the best pilots, navigators, the best everything. Trained to handle and drop atomic bombs but too dumb to know the difference between a weather balloon and a flying saucer. That has been a problem for me doing this research. The military people have lied to us. In 1994 they came out with the Mogul balloon stories, saying that a Mogul balloon, a highly secretive balloon project was a project that was to keep track of the Russians doing nuclear testing. The Russians didn't do any nuclear testing until 1949, 2 years after the incident. The final excuse was in 1997, the 50th anniversary. They came out and said that they had never mentioned the bodies and that the bodies were actually anthropomorphic crash test dummies, those weren't used until 1953. Ken: Plus they had a hook in their heads. Dennis Balthaser: Yeah, yeah, so the Air Force shot themselves in the foot with that one. And since then, more recently you had the Phoenix lights, you had the O'Hare airport sighting, November a year ago and just last week Stephenville, so it's a continuing process by the government to lie. Ken: What do you think of the people that have been trying to analyze the note that was in General Ramey's hand? Dennis Balthaser: I've been part of that. David Rudiak has done a lot of good work on that and there is no question among the ufo community that the words "victims of the wreck" are some of the words that are on that 7 or 8 or 9 line teletype that Ramey's holding. Ramey had no idea that the text on that teletype was facing the camera when the picture was taken, nor did he realize that years later there would be the technology and the equipment available to interpret that. There is no question that "victims of the wreck" is part of the wording. as also talk of a second site and a balloon cover up. That is still being done and will continue to be done as better equipment becomes available. I think that could be one of the smoking guns in resolving Roswell, because being that he covered it up, General Ramey may have been holding the answer to it. Ken: Do you think that there was at least one alien that was alive that was recovered? Dennis Balthaser: That has been reported Ken, I have no validation on that, several witnesses have said that it was alive for a period of time. The number of aliens has varied, depending who you talk to, anywhere from 3 to 5. The description of them has varied a little bit. Most are of the consensus that they were pretty much humanoid looking in that they resembled a human being upright, very small body, large head, elongated eyes. The differences would be the length of the arms, the number of fingers, no ears and no nose, just orifices or slots. There has been a lot of discussion about the aliens themselves but yeah, I heard that same thing. Ken: Many of the witnesses at Roswell claim that they were threatened by people unknown, I would have to say. Do you think that this was true? Dennis Balthaser: I know this was true, I personally experienced it. |
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