Dr. Leir is famous for being the first surgeon to take alien implants out of adbuctees. He is also a famous author who has written many books.

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Ken:

Well you know its funny, because if you go back about six or seven thousand years, all of a sudden there was a leap by the human race in technology and for the time before that it was pretty much spears and rocks for hundreds of thousands of years. Do you think that maybe this is the second time around for this kind of thing?

Dr. Leir:

It may be the second time around for us, but others civilizations have come and gone, come and gone. When I say gone, we don't know whether they packed up and left or whether they were the result of some natural disaster, but from looking at all the artifacts throughout history, we find some very strange advanced things. Yes I think you are absolutely right, it was almost like someone came around the time of Neanderthal, which Zackariah Kitchen  says did happen if we are into the Summerian tablets and genetically manipulate what was there, which was obviously Neanderthal and produced Homo Sapiens. The archeologists are finding Homo Sapien prints that were walking beside Neanderthals, so we couldn't be a descendant of Neanderthal, so it looks like we may have had some external origins.

Ken:

Yes it does. What do you do with the objects after they are removed?

Dr. Leir:

Well depending upon the amount of funds we have in the coffers, they are sent out first for biological testing and then we send the metal portions out. Then knowledge is accumulated and once it is accumulated it is given to the public freely. I have written seven books and I have been on numerous radio and television programs and I have lectured in forty two countries in seven years, so we don't try and keep.....

Ken:

Tell us the names of some of the books, my readers might be interested in buying them.

Dr. Leir:

Well some of the latest ones are "UFO Crash In Brazil", which has actually nothing to do with implants, but its my personal scientific investigation of a crash that occurred there in 1996, similar to a Roswell event. It is detailed, there is an interview with an Orthopedic surgeon that I did, who was forced by the Brazilian army to operate on a non human being to repair a fracture. That is one of the books "Aliens And The Scalpel, 2nd Revised Edition", which brings people up to date on the implant subject to about the twelfth surgery. It has pictures and scientific data in the back of the book. Then we have another one that I wrote, it is called, "Chopped Liver" , it is put out by the California Book Publishers Association. It is an anthology, fifty-two different authors all telling true stories and I have one in there. I have some DVDs that are out, the scientific study of alien implants. One is the research of Doctor Leir and then there is the Doctor Leir's Story. There are a number of different ones out there.

Ken:

Good, very good. Have you yourself ever had any experiences that you couldn't explain?

Dr. Leir:

Well I have had sightings of something three times, which fall in to the ufo category. I had an interesting experience while attending a conference in Lawful, Nevada, in which we and about forty witnesses watched two stars move. They had come together and my daughter and wife were with me and we all seemed to get the same message at the same time and that was basically in short terms, "hello, we're real, you've seen us, cheerio", and the crowd was so silent that you could hear a pin drop. I would think that the normal psychological reaction to seeing stars move is to look and mutter something, or yell the sky is falling or something, but here this group is so quiet that you could hear a pin drop.

Ken:

That is amazing. Would you tell us about the research on this claw that was found? The research is being done I believe by the National Institute For Discovery Science.

Dr. Leir:

Yeah, part of it was being done by them and part of it was being done through A & S Research. They used a geneticist in Australia to look at some of the stuff. We did a lot of biological studies prior to trying to do a DNA analysis and we were left with a lot of mysteries. We were getting ready to print, this shows you how events happen, we were getting ready to write and to print an article in a small genetic journal, telling about the unusual nature of the DNA, we were not going to say anything about non terrestrial DNA, but we were just going to talk about the principles of the DNA structure that we found. Two weeks prior to the time that this was going to be published, the geneticist discovered a new PTR technique and from that we found out that it was not a claw at all, but it was a slug.

Ken:

Really, wow.

Dr. Leir:

Well you think, gee that sort of invalidates all the work that was done, but it didn't because the DNA of the slug showed that it had a 97% chance of being a slug from New Zealand and a 93% chance of being a sea slug. So the question remains, how did a sea slug from New Zealand get into this guy's closet?

Ken:

Was it petrified?

Dr. Leir:

You must be reading my mind, it was, it was petrified and I went to see a gastroenterologist at the Natural History Museum here in Los Angeles and I said what happens when slugs die and dry up? He said that they get to be kind of leather like and dry up and so on. I said, well are you sure and he said well yeah, I am pretty sure. So we went back to Bakersfield and gathered up some local slugs and we put them out into the sun and what they did was eventually turn to powder and blow away.

Ken:

Really.

Dr. Leir:

This thing was so tough that you had a hard time cutting through it even with a scalpel.

Ken:

Well maybe it was under the ground for a few years?

Dr. Leir:

Well if it was, we would have gotten all sorts of contaminates that would have shown up in the DNA, so it evidently wasn't. But this begs the question, is this some entity's sense of humor, to plant a thing like this in the closet of an abducted, so that they can sit around and laugh about it?

Implant

Ken:

It is very strange, isn't it?

Dr. Leir:

Yeah because how does a sea slug get petrified and into this guy's closet? Well again back to the National Institute For Discovery Science. When they had the ranch and they were looking at all the phenomena going on, they set up some very expensive experiments and they had things happen there along the same lines. There were wires cut that were inside steel poles, the poles were not cut, only the wires were cut and other phenomena occurred. It was almost like somebody with a sense of humor was laughing at their efforts.

Ken:

Why do you think that aliens would use a scoop type instrument to dig out a hole in somebody's skin to put the implant in with, when it seems like such a crude method?

Dr. Leir:

Well again all this is theory and conjuncture, but there is some rational. Remember I told you that one of the ingredients of this membrane was keratin?

Ken:

Yes.

Dr. Leir:

Well perhaps there is a device that will scoop keratin out of the skin and it can be used for the purpose of combining it with these other two ingredients to make this membrane? Maybe its not a place where an implant is purposely injected. Now we know that the areas we call scoop marks have been subject to solar elastosis That means that a tiny portion of the skin has been subject to a high degree of ultraviolet radiation. How can this possibly be, when you take a housewife who has milky white legs, doesn't sit out in the sun and all of a sudden she gets one little scoop mark that is subjected to high amounts of ultraviolet?

Ken:

Yeah, that is the first I am hearing of that. That is amazing. Would you tell us why you decided to join forces with Doctor Philip Duke and how do you think his specialties will be of help to you?

Dr. Leir:

Oh I think that Philip Duke has come up with some interesting ideas in relation to the immune system and the effects of some of these things on the immunology system. He is basically scientifically oriented and I allowed him to use my website to sort of put his wares out to the public.

Ken:

I couldn't help but notice that Doctor Duke specializes not only in cattle mutilations and human abductions, but also in HIV and Aids research. Does he think that there is a connection with Aids and Aliens?

Dr. Leir:

I don't know if he has put Aids and aliens together, but he certainly has put together the origin of the Aids virus. To make it quite simple, it is not something that can occur in nature.

Ken:

Why do you say that?

Dr. Leir:

Because he explains the origins of the virus and how the virus particles are put together, like a sheep virus combined with a human retro virus, that's something like being a cat and a dog.

Ken:

So there is really only two choices, I see what you are saying. Either we created it or some other entity did.

Dr. Leir:

Yeah, or again it is possible and I don't deny this, we are constantly being bombarded from outer space by micro organisms of all sorts, both bacteria and viruses. That is why we may discover something new every once in a while that is affecting the human race. Even the Panspermia theory of the origin of mankind may be possible, I can't say that it isn't possible. Sure there is a lot of stuff out there that doesn't necessarily have to be man made, but we're so suspicious of the organization of some scientific groups around the world, but those are suspicions that one has to have.

Ken:

Technology is always improving, have you noticed any improvement in the technology of these objects over the years?

Dr. Leir:

Well again, that's an interesting question because you don't know. Maybe the stuff we take out are the Model T's and there is some new stuff that they are using that you can't even detect with an X-ray, CAT scan or MRI, that we are not looking at.

Two Implants In One Toe

Ken:

That is what I was wondering about, yeah.

Dr. Leir:

So it is very possible. People see things in the sky, some people see the typical flying saucer, two inverted pie tins, others see triangles, others see diamond shaped objects. There is a whole plethora of things that people see. Just because Sam comes from one galaxy or dimension doesn't mean that George comes from the same one.

Ken:

Was there anything that you saw to indicate that all of these implants do not come from the same place, I mean from the same race or whatever?

Dr. Leir:

Yes. Basically the technology that was involved, I mean if we have three grayish white balls in three guys then maybe it is the same individuals that put them in. Then as I say we have five of these little metallic rods and maybe its another group that put them in and then we have one that was biological, totally biological, that I have never seen before and it was most unusual so maybe we just got another group that is using that one for something else.

Ken:

Have you ever found any of these implants that are not attached to nerves?

Dr. Leir:

Yes the biological one wasn't attached to anything. In fact we had a hard time getting it out, because it would move away from you.

Ken:

Really!

Dr. Leir:

Yes and I have this on video and every time I watch it, it is hard to believe. It took four hands to trap this thing and get it out.

Ken:

Wow, I have to ask this next question. Do you think that there is any intelligence in that object?

Dr. Leir:

Well you know, if you would touch the ladies arm prior to the time we did the surgery, if you touched the object, it moved away from your finger. After associating with her arm for awhile, if you put your finger on her arm, it would start to follow your finger. Is that intelligence?

Ken:

I see what you mean, who knows?

Dr. Leir:

Yeah, who knows?

Ken:

I wanted to talk to you about the object from Roswell, I found that very interesting. Would you tell us about the object that you have from Roswell and how you know that it isn't from the Earth?

Dr. Leir:

Well we have acquired an object from a friend of mine who is a researcher in research and development of engines and who is himself a metallurgist. He knew my interest in the ufology stuff so he presented this object to me. He said the he had lent $35,000 on it, to the person that gave it to him. That person picked it up from one of the Roswell crash sites, there is more than one and we don't know which one. Let me say this, that everyone associated with this object is dead or has come to a very bad end. Even the scientist that did the preliminary work on it. It was composed of a number of different elements and we found out that the major element was a silicon that has extraterrestrial isotopic ratios and four other of the minor elements also had extraterrestrial isotopic ratios. This was done by a multitude of laboratories. The chain of evidence from my friend to me to the labs is all there and the wife of the deceased person who gave it to me knew the individual that gave it to her husband for collateral for a loan. There are no eye witnesses to say that this guy couldn't have gotten it somewhere else, but it is a very interesting object.

Ken:

It sounds like somebody is trying to stop you from publishing it, doesn't it?

Dr. Leir:

It sure does.

Performing The Operation

Ken:

Well how do you feel about holding it?

Dr. Leir:

I try not to have it. I send it out and there is a methodology for finding it and giving it out, but if someone would torture me or give me a lie detector test, I would legitimately not know where it is.

Ken:

Well that's good. Do you think that the object itself might be dangerous and it is just not detectable?

Dr. Leir:

Well no, I've handled it and I'm fine.

Ken:

Have you ever found more than one implant in a person?

Dr. Leir:

Yes, the first case that we did had two in the big toe. One on one side and one on the other...

Ken

Why do you think that there would be more than one, what do you think the reason would be for that?

Dr. Leir:

I think that we sort of touched on that. The patient was older, the implant had been there for many, many years and perhaps it took two devices to perform a function.

Ken:

Oh I see, you feel that the original one was there so long it wasn't functioning properly any longer.

Dr. Leir:

No, no, just that a two piece radio set may have been a precursor to a one piece.

Ken:

Why do you think that the objects are usually on the left side of the body?

Dr. Leir:

Well that's has sort of gone out the window, because now we have also found them on the right side. It is very difficult to make conclusions based on a limited number of cases. As we go on, we learn more and we can make more conclusions.

Ken:

Why do you think that the implants fluoresce?

Dr. Leir:

I don't know, there is something about them that does make them fluoresce. Could they be contaminated by something that makes them fluoresce? We know that certain abductees will come back with marks on their bodies that look like fingerprints and they have been touched by non terrestrial entities and those marks fluoresce. Maybe it is something that is on the skin of these entities that causes florescence? Maybe that florescence has been carried to an object that is placed in a human body. I don't know, it is a real mystery.

Ken:

Have these objects ever been tested spectrally, I mean with a spectrometer?

Dr. Leir:

Oh yes.

Ken:

Were there any results that were unusual?

Dr. Leir:

No because there are many different spectrographic analysis tests like STIR for example and they are all used for a specific purpose and that is part of the data that we use for example. You can't say it is unusual or usual. If you do a SCM and you find iron, is that unusual, no. But when we look at the X-Ray refraction on the iron, that is unusual.

Implant Visible In Center of of foot

Ken:

Tell us how you found out that the people that were implanted needed more salt and why do you think that this was. Do you think that this had something to do with the electricity in the body?

Dr. Leir:

Yes and that is a very good question. It is not just the people with implants, it is abductees across the board. Following an abduction they all have acute dehydration and an ultimate craving for salt. I think that there may be some electrolyte depletion, either due to the mechanism for getting them abducted or something else that is going on, within the body. We started to do an electrolyte analysis on some of these cases and one of the most common symptoms here is acute dehydration following an abduction episode so, its not just implant victims, its also abductees straight across the board.

Ken:

That is interesting because that is not common knowledge.

Dr. Leir:

No and certain things are not, for the same purpose that Budd Hopkins has given for not putting everything out in the books, because we want some of the data to remain sort of classified so we can sift out those that think that they are abductees from those that are not.

Ken;

I understand. In relation to these objects, what is the biggest one and what is the smallest one?

Dr. Leir:

The biggest one was probably the 'T' shaped object which was about a centimeter in each direction and the smallest one was probably about four millimeters.

Abductee Drawing Of Alien He Saw

Ken:

Well that was actually the last question that I had for you during this interview. I would like you to tell my audience anything you think that I missed that is interesting, that they might enjoy hearing about.

Dr. Leir:

Well I think that one of the things that they might enjoy hearing is that if there is someone out there listening that thinks that they may be a victim or subject of this phenomenon, what do you do if you think you have a lump or a bump or something that is bothering you and you don't know how it got there, because you didn't have it the night before you went to bed and you are interested in pursuing it and I stress that highly, if you are interested in pursuing it, then you should simply go somewhere and get an X-Ray taken and have it looked at and if there is something there that shows on the X-Ray then by all means contact myself or Budd Hopkins, or someone else who is involved in the subject

Ken:

Well that is the end of the interview, but I have to tell you I really enjoyed it. I learned a lot from this myself. I have to tell you the truth. Maybe someday we can get together again when you come out with a book or something?

Dr. Leir:

Well sure I would be very happy to do that.

Ken:

Thanks so much.

Dr. Leir:

Thank you Ken.

Goodbye