Dr. Leir is famous for being the first surgeon to take alien implants out of adbuctees. He is also a famous author who has written many books.

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Ken:

Hello Dr. Leir, it is a pleasure to meet you.

Dr. Leir:

Well its nice to be with you Ken.

Ken:

Thank you. The first question that I want to ask you is the first time an implant showed up on an X-Ray, did you know it was an alien implant?

Dr. Leir

Absolutely not. I started out really as a consummate skeptic and decided to offer my services to prove that this was a big bag of nonsense.

Getting Ready For Surgery

Ken:

Oh that is interesting. Are there other doctors in this country, or other countries, that have had similar experiences and found implants in people?

Dr. Leir

Well not that I know of, but nobody really started to look at anything of that nature until I started doing it. Now I have people that suspect that they might have something unusual so they contact me. I run about four or five hundred emails behind a week.

Ken:

Are most of the implants that you find located in the same area of the body?

Dr. Leir

The one commonality of the ones that we have removed and we have done thirteen cases so far and we are about to do another one this coming Saturday, is that they are in areas that if you had to put something in the body you would have easy accessibility and it would take very little time to do it. I haven't found anything in deep body cavities such as the abdomen or thorax or within the brain or anything, but they are all in either arms, feet, legs, hands or one we did was below the jaw and one in the back of the neck. They are all in places that are easy to get something in.

Ken:

Do these implants all look similar?

Dr. Leir

Well we have several categories. I have sort of synthetically divided them into three categories, ones that are metallic, ones that are non metallic and one that was totally biological. We have five of the metallic group that look exactly the same when I lay them out on surgical sponges and you wouldn't be able to tell which one came from who.

Ken:

If you know, have any implants turned up during autopsies?

Dr. Leir

Well I really don't know. I have a suspicion that there are people that have passed away with implants. On one of the first cases that I did, I took X-Rays of the mother who had a similar object in the toe as what we removed from the daughter, but she was deceased and long gone so unless there was somebody that wanted one done, they usually don't do autopsies.

Ken:

Yes I realize that. I was just thinking that when people die and they don't know the cause, they usually do an autopsy and there must be millions of these autopsies going on in this country within a year.

Dr. Leir

Probably, but when you look at a body and you are a coroner you are probably not going to X-Ray the body like on CSI Miami or New York, X-Ray every aspect of the body. You're looking for the cause of death, so that might lead you to the brain or the abdomen or lungs or something. Usually your not going to go peering through extremities unless it is some kind of a criminal case.

Certain Type Of Scratch Patterns Indicative Of Implants

Ken:

It seems that the U.S. Government has shown some interest in this, am I correct?

Dr. Leir

Oh yes.

Ken:

Could you tell me how does Colonel John Alexander fit into all this?

Dr. Leir

My association with Colonel John Alexander came about when he was on the science board of the National Institute for Discovery Science. That is an organization which is a non profit organization set up by Robert Bigalow of Nevada. It was an organization that looked into the scientific aspects of ufology and the mind. When he first started to help me with the research and getting metallurgical data I met John and some of his other colleagues. He was very much interested. John Alexander has a double Phd and is a very learned individual. He was responsible to saying ok, at least to the expenditure of the funds to get me some of the analysis done.

Ken:

Has the government ever tested any of these implants?

Dr. Leir

I don't know what the government has done, but I have been in black budget laboratories and the scientists that were looking at this stuff crowded into a small room with the lab director standing out in the hall with his hands on his hips and he was not very happy that they were spending government money and government time looking through these things. Obviously there was something so interesting there that they couldn't help but want to know more about it.

Ken:

These people that come to you, are they all convinced that they have been abducted at one time or another or do some come to you with a complaint that there is something under their skin that is bothering them?

Dr. Leir

Well I get both. Individuals do get in touch with me who do have something that they know is inside and of course we have a very strict set of criteria, protocols for doing these procedures, which I had to set up. We formed a non profit organization which is called A & S Research and they have to conform to the protocols and it is just enough not to have an object, or a know about an object that is provable to us, but we have to have some indication that they have had some relationship to the ufology phenomena. Either a prolonged sighting or a memory or dream or something. Usually we do not let them under go any hypnotic regressions prior to the time the surgery is done. If they want to have it done afterwards, that is fine. We don't try to enhance memory just because we don't want the criticism. They have to have some relationship to ufology before they can even begin to become a suspected candidate for one of these procedures.

Ken:

So you have never operated on someone and found that they had one of these in them just by mistake in other words?

Dr. Leir

No, no. I've removed hundred if not thousands of foreign bodies in forty three years, who knows what I removed and sent to pathology that they threw away? The obvious thing is "did you get it all, is it out, are the surrounding tissues normal?, are there any malignancies in the area?" They don't pay much attention to what it is that you removed.

Ken:

Have you ever heard of any of these implants being in animals?

Dr. Leir:

No, no.

Ken:

Would you tell my readers how do these things link up to the body once they are put in?

Dr. Leir:

Well we find anatomically that the metal is surrounded by a biological tissue. That biological tissue, when we see it under the microscope, actually penetrates the metal. Again this is a portion of science that we don't know how to do. That is one of the things. The next thing is that this biological tissue is surrounded in normal tissue areas with abnormal amounts of nerve endings. These nerve endings are not supposed to be there, so they could act as an energy source. Before removal of these objects we test for an electromagnetic field and we find that in most of them there is an electromagnetic field representing 4 to 6 milligauss, which is a pretty good magnetic field. In two or three of them we have been able to detect a radio frequency. They are a functional objects and we believe that they use a form of nano technology to function.

Checking For Electromagnetic Fields Around Implants

Ken:

Do you think that they are magnifying the body's electrical field or that they are supplying their own electrical field?

Dr. Leir:

Well I think that it is a mating of the biological energy that we have in our body. Certainly neuro energy has been captured by UCLA into a device and converted into electrical energy, so it can operate servo motors in prosthetics. A very sophisticated prosthetic hand has these little servo motors that move the fingers, while the interface for that is a device that actually takes the neurological energy coming from the nerve supply and converts it to electrical energy so it can operate these tiny little servo motors. So we know that the body has its own energy supply and when we look at these objects and remove them they become inactive except for their magnetic field, which many times decays in a period of two to three weeks.

Ken:

What exactly have you noticed about these objects that made you suspect that they are alien and not advanced human technology?

Dr. Leir:

Well that is a very good question Ken and I am so glad that you asked it, because that is the major principle here that we find so astonishing. When we look at the metallurgical portions we find certain anomalies. Number one as I said is that they are highly magnetic and you would suspect that something that is metal and is highly magnetic would contain what.....?

Ken:

Are you talking to me, I'm sorry, I thought you were continuing your answer. Well I guess metal.

Dr. Leir:

What kind of metal?

Ken:

Well I guess iron or steel.

Dr. Leir:

We do find iron and yet when we look at the iron it is without crystalline structure. In other words it is what we call amorphous The question being is how do you get amorphous metals to be magnetic? That is one of the things that is like a monopole. which is almost impossible to do. I did find out in my travels that black budget labs know how to make amorphous metals. What they use them for I haven't a clue, but they don't know how to make them magnetic. So that's one anomaly. The next one is the most telling, when we look at the isotopic ratios of some of the metals, we find that they are non terrestrial. That is a pretty good indication that these metals did not come from here. I am not saying that if you wanted to spend a lot of money, you couldn't do it at Oak Ridge, Tennessee. You could get all the non terrestrial isotopes you want and then spend millions of dollars to put them together, but who is going to do that to put a little one centimeter rod in somebody's hand?

Biological Implant

Ken:

You read my mind, because you know what my next question was? There is a theory going around the internet that the implants are made from meteorites and they were made this way on purpose by powers unknown to fool us and I was going to ask you what you thought of that theory?

Dr. Leir:

Well I think it is fairly ridiculous. In the first place if we look at the amount of the population who are interested in ufology, who write book and who research, it is a very tiny, tiny slice of the pie. If you look at the amount of people in the United States who believe that Roswell was an event, now we are talking about 92% of the population. If you look at polls of people that ask if the government might be lying about E.T., again you are up in about the 78% range. To have a purposeful event occur by somebody's skullduggery to fool a hand full of researchers and spend ninety million dollars to do it certainly is comical.

Ken:

With these implants, I have read that they can be implanted in a human body and there is no reaction to them. The body doesn't reject them in any way.

Dr. Leir: :

That is absolutely correct. When we look at the tissue surrounding where the objects are, we find that there is absolutely no rejection and no inflammation reaction what so ever. You may have heard recently that our best attempts at putting implants in animals and humans especially, came out with quite a piece in the news about a month ago, they cause cancer. If you want to put a chip in your dog, yeah you can put a chip in your dog, but that area is probably going to become cancerous. Certainly If you put one in your child that is what you are going to find, so with the best of our technology, we are not there yet.

Ken:

Have you found that this membrane that is formed around this device mimics the tissue around it, in other words it becomes composed of the same type of tissue?

Dr. Leir:

No, it is not the same type of tissue, but it does apparently act as an interface between the metal and the surrounding tissue. I can tell you what this membrane or soft tissue is composed of.

Ken:

Good, go right ahead.

Dr. Leir:

What is called a protein collagen, which means that it is just proteins derived from clotted blood. We look at that like a bowl of Jello and we add a couple of things to it which is some dark brown graduals of hemosiderin. Hemosiderin is a pigment which is very similar to the hemoglobin which is in your red cells. It is an oxygen binding pigment so the hemoglobin is there, it oxygenate the membrane, the tissue. Then we find striated keratin which composes the outer layer of our body, our hair and fingernails and so on. Those are the only three things that compose this membrane. We haven't done any further studies because the funds have not been there to do it, to look at things on a more molecular level or even to do DNA studies. Wouldn't it knock you on your bean to find out that the membrane is not the same DNA as the host?

Ken:

Yeah, that would be something, wouldn't it?

Dr. Leir:

Yeah.

Ken:

You think that knowing this much we would be able to duplicate it, wouldn't you?

Dr. Leir:

Yes, I wanted to get a research grant for 501C3s so that we could do this on a medical basis, because if you were able to duplicate this membrane, my God you could wrap a heart, or a pin or a screw or a kidney or anything else in it and the patients would not have to take any anti rejection medication for the rest of their lives.

Ken:

Yeah that is just what I was thinking. This could be some incredible discovery.

Dr. Leir:

Right, but to try and get anybody to bite to do it, or to put up the funds its almost impossible.

Ken:

That is too bad. Do you think that these objects are some sort of tracking objects, to allow people to be tracked?

Dr. Leir:

No I don't, because I would think that on the basis of astrophysicist Misu Cucu the development of his theory about advanced civilizations there is a class 1, 2, and 3. Even a class 1..... For example we know that DNA has its own electrical signature so that all you would have to do is build a device and they could track your whenever they wanted to, even a fly or insect anywhere on this planet, maybe the solar system or the universe, who knows?

Ken:

So we really don't know what these thing do?

Dr. Leir:

Well again, I can theorize legitimately, scientifically and I think that one of the things and I don't have all the answers and if anyone says that they do you'd better put your fingers in your ears and run, but I think that one of the things is pretty common to the abduction phenomena, it is something that has to do with the taking of ova and sperm. There is some genetic thing that seems to be going on, that perhaps a portion or all of the human race is being genetically remanipulated into something else which we are not. This is quite evident in the children that have been born in the last 50 or 75 years. They are very different individuals and it has nothing to do with TV, or pollution, or food. They can do some very unexplainable things and I've done a study on seventeen different growth characteristics and they have been accelerated from sixteen to eighty percent and this is a pretty short time for that kind of evolutionary leap.

Ken:

Yes it is.

Dr. Leir:

So maybe these devices, going back to your question, sort of help them to track a small sampling of the genetically manipulated population.

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