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Interview With John Hutchison 3 November 2007
Part III of III
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All photos and video are courtesy of John Hutchison
Ken: I might even interview you about it, if you'll let me? John Hutchison: You're most welcome. I'm not into really promoting anything, I am not a scientist and have never studied to be a scientist. I am sort of an explorer, engineer kind of character. I learned a lot from old timers, that taught me so much about everything and to me it's wide open. I am not into being secretive about this stuff, or anything, come and take a look, if you can replicate it fine. If I do a good job in presenting something out there to somebody, cool that's good if it has convinced some kids to get off of drugs and get involved with Nicola Tesla's ideas. It sets them on a path where they investigate things. Ken: I went to his former laboratory a few years ago. It's not really there anymore. The building is there. It became a photo lab and then the building was closed because of the ground. It was all polluted. John Hutchison: Where is this actually? Ken: I don't remember the name of the town, but it was near the end of Veterans Highway on Long Island, it's the building that used to have the big tower behind it.
John Hutchison Hard At Work In His Lab John Hutchison: Are you saying that the building itself is still there? Ken: The building is still there, but the tower is gone. John Hutchison: Is it open to the public? Ken: No, as a matter of fact there is a fence all around it. I couldn't get in, because the town wouldn't let me, since the site was polluted. I guess that all the years that it was a photo lab, caused chemicals to seep into the ground. John Hutchison: Oh my goodness, what an opportunity for a documentarian, I wonder if I could get special permission to go in there? Ken: Well they said if I want to apply again to the town I could, but I said the heck with it. John Hutchison: Yeah okay, that's history. Ken: It sure is. I am not sure if it is called Waldon or not? John Hutchison: Wardencliff? Ken: Yeah, I think that was it. John Hutchison: Oh wow! Ken: It is said that none other than Einstein himself was involved with the Philadelphia experiment. If this is true he must've thought it was worth taking time off from the Manhattan Project. Do you think that antigravity devices are that important and if so, why? John Hutchison: I think that antigravity devices are the key to understanding that the force state of nature here Is gravity. To overcome gravity you simply have to do it. I prefer the idea of using something like a ceramic material which would shield gravity. It would be a tremendous step in transportation, for space travel, for understanding other dimensions, for eliminating nuclear waste and helping our planet and for manipulating all the stuff that is going on, including global warming. There are many many applications for antigravity or zero gravity. Ken: Mel Winfield, a Canadian inventor, claims that his theories helped you invent the Hutchison effect. How do you feel about that statement? John Hutchison: Mel was a bit of an inspiration to me, I would go and listen to his lectures, it gave me insight into what he was doing. At that same time I purchased some equipment from him, it was mostly destroyed and I rebuilt it. Mel said, I'll help you out John, which he did and connected me to Alex Pezaro. Mel took some of the videos and presented it to the government for funding and then Alex Pezaro got angry and told Colonel Alexander about this, what Mel did was misrepresent me at the First National Energy Conference in Toronto Canada. He was showing all these photographs of the levitation effects, which he had and Tesla coils, because he had come over to my place and taken pictures of everything and shown them to everybody at that conference. Pezaro came back and we talked a bit and he talked about Mel's lab. I said that is not Mel's lab, that is mine and I had this thing here since about 1970. So we talked and talked and he said that Mel told them it was all his. I said no, no. I don't know what got into Mel, why he said it was his? Mel came around to see Alex and I that day. Alex Pezaro told him off, so Mel walked away. After that he started to get friends to phone George Hathaway in Toronto. He knew I worked with Hathaway and I guess he thought that I would get into big trouble. I mean Mel is a good spirit, I just hope he has something that really works. I don't like harboring any negative energy, or being nasty towards anyone. I respect Mel and what he is trying to do, that is a good thing. I got him on to the radio show with Lou Gentile and also with Global Television. Like I say, I am not promoting anything. I mean Mel is an interesting individual. Ken: Does the rotation of the earth play any part in you antigravity experiments?
Metal That Was Subject To The Hutchison Effect John Hutchison: Actually yes it does. There is a bit of a lag time when things that lift off seemed to go off at an angle. When they go off at an angle they drop down after they hit the ceiling. They fall out of the frame of the camera, so there is a bit of a problem. So if you do a long photo shoot you can see all of that in fact happens. Ken: Well I have to ask you this. I have spoken to physicists about antigravity, and one of them in particular told me that if there was antigravity in a certain area of the atmosphere, part of the atmosphere will rise or fall depending on the antigravity beam and also would go sideways. He said that this would create winds. When you do your experiments are there any winds? John Hutchison: Sometimes there is a very cool wind and the odd thing is that back in the 80s we used to turn it on just to keep cool in the summer. Does it produce winds? Yes we had winds, because we had rotating rings during the McDonald Douglas Aerospace testing, suspended above the target area. We would always see these rings rotating around. as well as other things that we would try and do. We would measure winds and when Nancy O'Donnelly was here from National Geographic, she started saying that her hair was floating in the air and they all stopped filming and said, are we going to be all right? You know they were really concerned. There were no problems at actually and they filmed everything. That was on February 25 of last year and I did about 12 different interviews since then. Ken: Most scientists feel that it is not possible to achieve free energy, because it violates the laws of thermodynamics. Would you explain to us how your experiments have found a way around this? John Hutchison: Well first of all it doesn't break the laws of thermodynamics. They just don't realize that there is a whole energy source out there that is trapped and it is so massive an amount of energy that we can transfer from one place to another. II is so significant that that a cubic foot of this stuff could power the Earth's needs for hundreds of years. It doesn't break the laws of thermodynamics, it's not actually breaking any types of laws. It is just an unknown force, the same with antigravity. I understand what they are saying, but most of these academic scientists are so stuck in their belief system, that they don't like to change and that is why I don't deal with them. Ken: Have you ever investigated the effects of your experiments at the atomic level? John Hutchison: George Hathaway has, Max Planck Institute has. that is when they keep writing up different reports. There is actually going to be a book published by Hathaway on all of this pretty soon. Ken: What have they found that would be interesting? John Hutchison: They have said that all of the atomic elements and impurities in the metals seem to migrate as pure materials. There are 100% materials in different parts of the actual samples. Subatomic areas seem to be quite stable. That area has not been fully explored as yet. Gravitons will remain gravitons, charginos and gluons will always be that. On a conventional atomic level, there was a lot of activity that is quite unusual and unique. They do such tests as electron scanning microscope, x-rays, diffraction analysis, fluorescence analysis and that would be in Los Alamos, also in Toronto and Kyoto Institute of technology, the Max Planck Institute and the Fraunhofer Institute. After a while you get quite a collection of material and information. Ken: Yeah I bet. Well I guess since we are made up of 90% water, it wouldn't do us much good, to get too close to your experiments while they're being conducted, from what I understand. Am I correct on that?
Toy Saucer Being Lifted By Antigravity John Hutchison: Very correct I would say, although I've had some brushes with it and actually had a friend who could feel the area with his hand. I would take a measurement of it and I would say, that is where there is an active area, but nothing happened to him, although my boss Alex Pezaro said that he started to get weightless when we were doing a government testing. Ken: Do you think that when Nicholas Tesla lost his notes, when they were taken out of his apartment upon his death, that he may have had notes pertaining to some antigravity experiments that we don't know about? John Hutchison: I am sure there is, because up here in Canada, in Vancouver, there is Thomas Lee Richardson who actually was a close friend of Tesla's, who had boxes of his notes, that I have seen personally. He used to talk to Jack Webster, the radio host up here on the Jack Webster's show about Tesla. When Thomas Lee Richardson started to get old and frail, the provincial government took over all of his property and we were trying to save it because it is all history. They wouldn't allow us to touch it at all and packed it up and sent it overseas, from what we understand, to some other location. Now another contact I had was Lorn St. Ives, a banker in San Francisco. I still have all of his phone numbers and cards and everything. He would come and see me, because his great aunt used to work with Tesla. She had a lot of the papers and documents and when she passed away, they were simply auctioned off as junk. He was on a paper trail. He was trying to find all of that stuff again. Ken: What a shame that was. John Hutchison: So there was a lot of stuff that was taken away. A lot of the stuff also appears in the Department of Defense solicitations. I have a lot of that stuff here, it's in the name of Nikola Tesla's beam weapons and stuff like that, so I have that from the DOD. Ken: Antigravity research seems to have been going on for an awful long time. Why do you think that we haven't been able to perfect the technology yet? John Hutchison: Let's say it has been perfected in some dark areas. I know that T. Townsend Brown did some groundbreaking work on it in the 1950s. The Navy was interested in that, but then they declined on it. What they basically do is come and look and say this is what he is up to and we will do it if needed. In my case I was told the same type of thing that might've happened in 1993. They came and looked and took measurements which they were freely able to do. They had all the cameras arranged on all of us around the lab at the time. They made mental notes of everything, they had all these teams here. At McDonald Douglas they actually did fund their project and they had ideas that if they arranged certain aspects or parts of their equipment in certain ways, that they could predict events on the next day's experiments and that actually did happen. I have the full report on that. What they do is say that it is PK, psycho kinetics. They are whitewashing it. Colonel Alexander has been on two TV shows with me for Discovery, being interviewed on one of them and also Jack Houck of McDonnell Douglas was on Fox TV and he said the same thing, that it was just PK and that it was John's mind doing it. Again that is their only way of getting out of it without getting into trouble with the National Security Agency, I don't know about all the political stuff. Ken: There is an experimenter that we see once in awhile, on TV documentaries. He works for one of the Aerospace companies. is fond of pulling out an aluminum foil and balsa wood object that has wire around the top of it and when he applies current it actually floats in the air defying gravity. Are you familiar with that? John Hutchison: Is that Boyd Bushman? Ken: I don't know his name. John Hutchison: It sounds like Boyd Bushman, it's a round coil thing? Ken: It looks almost like a kite on its side. John Hutchison: Oh okay, that is lifter technology. That is ion propulsion. Ken: So then you are familiar with that. Does your invention use any of the principles that were used in that? John Hutchison: No, no absolutely not. I am more interested in what Boyd Bushman at Lockheed Martin is doing though. He is doing some interesting research with his stuff. No that is Ion propulsion and that has been around since the 1930s. I have some video on a huge triangle shaped thing and they levitate it with a massive transformer and they can actually control it quite easily. Yeah, that is an old tech. Ken: Do you have anything to do with developing software?
A Pipe Before And After The Hutchison Effect John Hutchison: Software, I guess in that area I am pretty dumb. Ken: The reason I ask, is that I was wondering if you ever tried to develop software to control some of your devices, so that there would be more consistency in the experiments? John Hutchison: It is interesting that you bring that up, because my scientist friend in Germany wanted me to do the exact same thing. His name is Roland Bredow. the Max Planck team suggested that exact idea. It is a good idea. You actually bring it into more of a...... Ken: Yes, it would actually make things easier for you, but that is just the way I feel about it. John Hutchison: Yes, probably a lot easier. I could just sit back and do it. Ken: Right. Have you ever tried to apply for a patent for any of you work? John Hutchison: No, I was told to not do that. No I never have its open. Ken: Can I ask one question towards that? Have you ever been told that it wouldn't be granted because of the military secrets act or something like that? John Hutchison: No, not really, no. I find the military people are very supportive of what I do, they want me to work with them, so I have no problems. It is just the Canadian government guys that don't want me to make contact. Ken: At this point I only have a couple of more questions. Do you feel like going for another 10 minutes or so maybe? John Hutchison: Oh I love it. not a problem. Ken: Okay great. What made you decide to use lower frequencies on your device, than the Germans were using with their device? John Hutchison: Well as I mentioned, it was an accidental discovery. In my observations in those days, way back in the 70s, I was watching the effects of the RF fields, static generators and Tesla coils with the lights out. I wasn't expecting any of the antigravity things, so when the antigravity things happened, I was encouraged to follow that path. I then started to fine tune everything so that I would have more effects. I had maybe several per day and I was trying to work my way up to maybe five per hour by the late 80s. Ken: Do you think that maybe the Germans were trying for a more specific result, in other words, they were only interested in one of the areas, which is antigravity, not in the other areas that you described, for example time travel and such? John Hutchison: While I was in Europe I lived over there for two years. I actually stayed at Dr. Peter Kokoshinegg's home, he is one of the leading scientists over there in that entire area. He actually had discovered zero point and energy and showed me it in one of the special rooms in the mansion, located at, Hendorff, 22 Jagerbauerweg, Hendorff. un Wallersee . Dr. Margarita Kokoshinegg is still over there. Dr. Peter passed away in 1993. I was shown actual disks in basements in Vienna at the Gazda residents. They were in the basement where there had been all kinds of hush hush secret stuff during the war. Remnants, parts of machine tools, books, and documents. There were tons and tons of stuff that I was amazed to see. My lady at the time, was a film maker, June Gazda. We were dating and are still in contact, she's in India right now. She showed me all that stuff. She would tell me the stories about when they were doing the secret programs, during the war and even into the 50s. The girls would be staying up on what they call The Burg in Salzburg, a big mountain with an antenna on it. It was all kinds of hot shot secret stuff and she had showed me documentation, where her grand dad and her father had the patent on the Orlikon 20 mm heavy machine gun feed mechanism. I said my goodness, such a thing would have made you rich, but the government, the US government, never paid them the money. I did see a lot of unusual things like round disks, doubled multi shaped forms, unusual things that they were experimenting with. I think the largest that I saw was about 4 feet in diameter. Dr. Peter Kokoshinegg was going to have all the stuff shipped back to his main lab in Hendorf, but unfortunately he got ill and passed away, so it was all scattered over there in Vienna, all the books and all the documents and even old films from Hollywood. We'd sit and watch some of her work, its all stuck in the Gassa residence. I think she has a fortune in stuff. For example, she filmed Charlie Minor who got shot, who used to be president of A and M. Records, getting married. Arts and Entertainment did a documentary on him and I said gee, you could have sold that footage to them. You could make millions, there is tons of footage over there. Anyway that's all going off on the side track here. Ken: Electromagnetic Pulses can cause havoc by knocking out electrical equipment and we are said to even have an Electromagnetic Pulse bomb. Does your experiment when successful, produce any electromagnetic pulses?
Disintegration Caused To Metal By Hutchison Effect John Hutchison: Yeah actually on a very small scale it does. I'm doing a sparking gap mechanism and ill send out a very heavy oscillated waveform that will knockout electronics about 100 feet away. Ken: Let me ask you this, have you ever thought about trying to shield that effect and maybe that would make your experiment more stable? John Hutchison: Oh, we have gone through that many times. Actually we did shielding in 1983 and I have shielding now for some of that, because it does effect things in the area. So you use things, what they call RF shielding or Faraday Cages to try and block it, or even send out another waveform to try and block it, they would cancel each other out. That is another thing that I try and do too. It's got its challenges. Ken: I bet. Are there any other side effects to any of your experiments? John Hutchison: George Hathaway and team all feel very healthy. Maybe it affects our genes, we don't know, but we are all very very healthy and ...... Ken: Maybe it's beneficial? (We both got a laugh here) John Hutchison: Well they use that technology for curing cancer, on a simple level, they use multiple wave oscillators. So far so good, touch wood. Ken: Here is an opinion question. If the Philadelphia experiment actually took place and men were merged with the ship's structure in some cases, why do you think that the ship would have been sold to the Greek Navy and not destroyed? John Hutchison: I heard about that too. Ron Millioeni, my partner in crime here, has a whole different story on that. That was brought up on a radio show that we were doing together. Ken: Let me ask you this, does he think that was not really the ship? John Hutchison: Yeah. Ken. I suspected that. John Hutchison: Yeah, that is what they do. Sometimes they will do that. Ken: Disinformation John Hutchison: Disinformation. Even the military surplus when they released things will do that. Ken: Well at this point I'm going to give you a chance to say anything that you would like to.
More Equipment On The Balcony John Hutchison: Oh good heavens. all I want to do is wish everybody good health and myself and I want to get on with our network TV show with Ron and myself, and get all the information out there for fun and interview other people and get their information out there too. Ken: Well I wish you great luck with all your endeavors. Your TV show, your experiments and everything and I have to tell you that I really enjoyed the interview |
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