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Interview With John Hutchison 3 November 2007
Part I of III
All photos and video are courtesy of John Hutchison
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Race To Zero Point Video Ken: My guest today is John Hutchison the antigravity experimenter who is known for discovering the Hutchison effect. Would you tell us please what got you started in the area of antigravity and free power? John Hutchison: Well I love science and engineering and I like to replicate some of the experiments and I replicated Tesla's experiments and accidentally discovered this whole arena of antigravity and alternate power sources. it was way back in 1980 and honestly, I didn't think much of it until some scientists came by the laboratory and took pictures of what I was doing. Then they presented it to the US government and started promoting it. Then I gave demonstrations and I got into more of what it's all about. Ken: That sounds very interesting. Your experiments certainly had a lot of controversy surrounding them. Has any of this ever affected your work? John Hutchison: The controversy? Ken: Yes.
John Hutchison Adjusts Equipment in 1987 John Hutchison: No not at all. I recently turned down some work from the US government at the Pentagon and NASA, because at this stage I like to present it to the news media, other scientists privately and to the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, Fox and NBC. Besides, I don't like being locked away somewhere. Ken: I don't blame you. John Hutchison: You know what I mean? Ken: Yes I do know what you mean. John Hutchison: Nine to five. I've done that before with the government guys back in 1983. I don't like that kind of lifestyle, I like my freedom, it's more important. Ken: Your name is synonymous with the Hutchison effect. Would you please tell us exactly what the Hutchison effect is? John Hutchison: Well it is an accidental discovery that I made a long time ago with radio frequencies, strong RF frequencies, high-voltage, along with electrostatic energy, also with Tesla coils, or Tesla waves along with a pulsating direct current system. What happened was that in the beginning, small objects began to move around by themselves. Then metals would turn funny and start to get bent out of shape or turn rubbery. I looked at it and thought, well that is intriguing. I am not a scientist and I am sure that some large laboratory is doing this all the time. Actually it's Alex Pezaro and George Hathaway that convinced me that this was extremely important. They brought in various people from San Diego, such as the SAIC group and the government, the US government, Colonel Alexander, plus many others in that time period in the 1980s. The Hutchison effect is like a system, it opens up portals, reverses time and in some experiments, turns metal into rubber. It levitates things up to about 300 feet away. It causes pandemonium and panic with people around here, because this is not a commercial area. It is a Pandora's box, as we used to call it, of unique effects, which if they could be used, could be useful in such things as rockets, rockets without rocket engines and used in the elimination of nuclear waste materials and alternative energy sources.
John Hutchison Among The Coils Ken: You say that it opens up portals in time and changes material. When you say it changes material, has any material ever been produced that has no relationship to anything that we already have on earth? John Hutchison: Yes. There was some samples done with known atomic elements and they can't be matched up to any known alloy. I have some of that here and one of my scientist friends bought some samples from me. Ken Shoulders has replicated a little of my work already. He is a well known US scientist. it is quite interesting really, in that the samples themselves are unique because the metal has been rearranged all the way through it. Nobody can really explain it, it is still a mystery. Ken: Well do you think any of this new metal might have an application, say in the defense industry for example? John Hutchison:: Oh I am sure it has a lot of applications in the defense industry. I know they're probably using it right now at Lockheed Martin. They are working on replicating my work and this has been going on for quite a number of years, as I am told. I have never been to Lockheed Martin.Skunk Works. I have been told that by a senior executive there and by others. Ken: What does a time portal look like when it opens up? John Hutchison: It's actually multicolored and scary and luckily we had a camera that was running at the time and it caught one of these portals opening up. Ken: Could you actually stick something into it and would it disappear?
John Hutchison Checking Parameters John Hutchison: We had that happen too. This time we were so scared that, well not scared, more like stunned. We were trying to film an experiment when this happened. We didn't even turn the camera on, we just sort of froze and this lasted for about 30 seconds. Ken: This raises the question, at least in my mind, that if there was a time portal there, where did it lead, backwards or forwards? John Hutchison: Unknown. Ken: None of these things that went into them have ever reappeared, is this correct? John Hutchison: The US government brought in another team from McDonald Douglas, who brought in artifacts from different time periods. They did a controlled experiment and didn't classify it, I still have that experiment here. They brought in an old ring from a Spanish Galleon and other objects which we ran tests on. The idea is that perhaps they took all these things back to Washington, DC and analyzed them. They didn't talk about the results to me or us. That was an interesting experiment in different ways. The samples were also analyzed by German teams who stated that the medals were going ahead in time, which sounds strange. In the analysis, the crystalline structures keep changing very fast, there is also dark matter in there as they call it, they tell me. There is actually transparent material in there also. Ken: Well has anything ever been deposited into your lab? John Hutchison: Good question. We've had things appear and disappear real quick. We used to make nicknames for these things, like the red ones we just simply call them coral. That was the Boeing group of scientists that I was with, Alex Scherifsky and George Lissacase who is now working with Pinnacle International. We would have nicknames for these things that come and go, some that flowed through walls. It was kind of funny and we took pictures of them too, along with video footage of all of this stuff. Ken: Was anything recognizable? John Hutchison: No, but there was some strange nails that came through the wall, that seemed odd. The lab was stolen by the Canadian government in 1999.... Ken: Yes, I am going to ask you about that later. John Hutchison: I just rebuilt it now and let's say that we have deposited unusual effects in the apartments of the people of Westminster who brought the mayor visiting me, Mayor Wayne Wright, who was intrigued by this. He said that he's getting citizens in distress and also a lot of the citizens will go to the news media and explain what happened. They haven't come around and thrown rocks at my windows yet. Ken: Apparently this thing has quite a range, wouldn't you say? John Hutchison: A fair range yes. It was measured by Los Alamos and it is about 300 feet away from the equipment. Ken: Ha ha, that is a pretty good range considering that you're not using that much power, is that correct?
Samples Of Metal That Have Experienced The Hutchison Effect John Hutchison: We are not using that much power. A news story on CTV was about how little power I was using to get the effects. Ken: Are you aware that an unconfirmed report states that an aerospace company named GCT has been awarded millions of dollars, to build a craft that uses antigravity and zero point energy and does this have anything to do with your research? John Hutchison: I don't know, honestly this is the first time I've heard about it. Ken: Really? Well I can tell you this, there was a secret meeting of Congress. It was so secret that the terms that they used were constructed in such a way, as not to reveal any salient points of what they were doing. Some of the junior congressman were very upset over this. It has been presumed that the crux of the meeting was what I just told you about. Ken: The Germans had been working on antigravity devices before an during World War II. Are any of your experiments, or devices, based on any of their prior work? John Hutchison: Maybe some of the high voltage odd effects of the Mercury rotating system electrostatics, a little bit I would say. But I was curious, you said that there were Congressmen..... Ken: Yes this was supposedly a meeting in the Senate. John Hutchison: Ok. I have several friends that are Congressman... Ken: Maybe you would want to ask them about this? John Hutchison: I would love to. Ken: They have to deny it however. (We both laughed here) John Hutchison: I know, I know. That is what happened to me with the Canadian government. My member of Parliament was trying to get me all of the files, like the FBI files. He couldn't, he was told to back away from it because it was national security. Ken: Right. You have to realize that this is an unconfirmed report, but everybody that seems to know anything about Congress, seems to believe that the report is true. Would you please tell us why it is so difficult to repeat the Hutchison effect? John Hutchison: It was difficult in the 1980s, but is not now. Ken: Oh, it isn't now? John Hutchison: No of course not, I can just turn this thing on. What inspired me to do this was Fox TV. I did a Fox TV show and many other TV shows and last year I decided to leave everything connected just as it is, with all the extension cords running to the different machines and have everything pre-tuned. When a film crew comes or a news team comes, all I have to do is push everything into the main buss unit here and simply calibrate the equipment and maybe in 10 minutes, I get things really going well. The last main demonstration here was for Fox TV Impact motion pictures. They caught stuff floating in the air and Rob Simone, the radio host was here, plus about seven other people who were filming everything. It was quite a demonstration. We also had a peanut butter can shrink. Ken: Really? John Hutchison: So a lot of the facts happened here .The reason is that I got rid of a lot of this spark gaps and the large Telsa coils over time. I replaced the same output and achieved it with vacuum tube technologies. I have a lot more control. if anybody comes in here I can simply turn it on and they can film it. You can have fun and make your own samples. Ken: I would have thought that you would have said that you had miniaturized it? John Hutchison: Looking around here I would say that it is probably about 3 tons. Ken: Well it is funny that you should mention vacuum tubes, because I happen to know that the Russians used vacuum tubes instead of transistors, in one of their most powerful radars, because it gave them some amount of versatility that they weren't able to achieve with transistors. This almost sounds like the same thing with your device. John Hutchison: It is. If you take an ordinary citizens band transceiver and its 5 W vacuum tubes, you can actually punch out a lot of area with that and effect a lot of radios and TVs with it, because it is really hefty. If you have a solid State unit, it just makes it to the other contact. Vacuum tubes are in demand by audio people and radio people and people are selling them on eBay for extremely high prices. They have about 10,000 or 20,000 to sell. Ken: A zero .module is a device that would provide enormous amounts of power if it existed. When we hear that you are experimenting with free energy, does this have anything to do zero point energy? John Hutchison: I think that when one is working with free energy, it does have a lot to do with zero point energy. One of my contacts actually had a patent on his work. It was Dr. Franklin Mead. it was quite similar to my device. IBM has bought up all of the patent rights. It's almost like the Juron Corporation which bought all the patents on tamelarise, which is used in life extensions. This means that this is a very hot topic and doctor Mead's thing is quite a hot topic. So I do the same, but on a less expensive level. We were preparing to go into manufacturing these power cells a couple of years ago. Funding was supposed to come directly to us from Ottawa Canada and go directly to a factory, but it never came. Ken: Are we talking about the crystalline cells here?
One Of The Laboratory Devices John Hutchison: That's right, yes. Ken: Since you mentioned it, tell us about that since we are on that subject. Tell us exactly what they are. John Hutchison: Basically they are this common mineral that is treated in a special way that grasps or grabs..., it is like barium titanate, a US army invention. There are random fluctuations of actions in a vacuum with zero point energy and they are converted to useful electricity. I have made various devices for demonstrations for the Japanese and German folks and especially Hiroshima City, as well as in Germany. The device will power a small motor, a very small motor, a toy motor. The individual cells themselves are relatively weak in power, but if you put them in injection moldings in series or in parallel, for a cubic foot you would have roughly 12 volts and three amperes. Looking at this, it is like the early stages of computer technology. Once it gets out there, then of course the price drops and also the size of the things will drop too. Ken: And the efficiency will probably pick up even more. John Hutchison: Well I think so. It is a nonmoving power technology. I presented it to many different people and even did measurements on it at the Kyoto Institute of technology and also it is factory compatible, meaning that a factory can look at it as factory functional, so it can be mass manufactured. I was trying to implement the idea of giving them out as a novelty item, so that anybody could buy them for about $10. They would have a power supply that would show them how zero point energy is available. That deal never happened unfortunately, again Ottawa killed that deal under Dr. Michrosky. We were preparing a $5 million budget and unfortunately that just didn't happen. Ken: Well from what I see, any good battery technology has either been bought up or hidden in some way. I think the powers that be don't want them used to power cars. It would interfere with the gasoline and oil production, but that is just a guess of mine. Have you ever tried putting a living organism, no matter how small, in where you could try the Hutchison effect on it? John Hutchison: We did that with food, but not living organisms. We put a carrot in there and it looked like an invisible person cut it in half. I think that is due to the water, because it affects water and tosses water all over the place. Ken: Did you examine the carrot under a microscope to see if any other changes were made in it? John Hutchison: No we didn't go that far, we just observed it and videotaped it. Ken: Why do you think that sometimes the Hutchison effect will fracture metal, other times it will open a portal and another time it will do something else?
Milling Machine John Hutchison: It has a very narrow band and it seems to not be that stable. If one side of it is off a few degrees out of phase, it will effect gravity. If it's out of phase more or to another angle, it's hard because I am trying to make this simple, it will start to levitate or even turn huge samples into jelly metal. There are now other scientists working on it, George Hathaway and Ken Shoulders. They are replicating it. Not every aspect of it yet, but it would be nice if somebody would get it out into the public. Military people have it already. Ken: That has to do with the next question that I was actually going to ask you. There are those that believe that antigravity devices have already been perfected to some extent, in secret government projects. Do you believe that this could be true? John Hutchison: Yes I do. I have bits and pieces of information that I have accumulated over the years, because I signed up as a DOD contractor. I did have a contract with the Department of Defense, in 1983. I was able to get documents sent to me by the SBIR program from Washington DC, along with Washington, DC and along with the CIA people who helped me with the UFO stuff. X E Yin she was doing a film on UFOs. I lucked out with some very impressive documents that fully explained some things, without them being blocked out. They were about UFOs exploding and how we analyzed the parts when they fell down to the earth. Oddly enough I was going to try and put the documents themselves on my blog site, they're from INSCOM. I feel yes, I got involved with a group the RAMSTAR group, a little while ago and they were back engineering daily in spacecraft stuff. I didn't get along with the project manager that well, I got along with everybody else like Dr.Rauscher, Pandolphi, Mars and a radio show host, Linda Moulton Howe. Gordon Novel, if you want to Google search him, he is quite a character. He stayed with us in Scottsdale a few times. He had all these documents. He wanted me to back engineer it for him and I said no, I'll send you to the right companies that have all these parts and stuff, which I did do. He couldn't understand it, he got all upset and started pulling his hair out and we had a falling out. Ken: In the past you stated that there has been military interest in your experiments. What what do you think they want to use the results of your experiments for? |
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