Timothy Good is a famous British ufo investigator and the author of many ufo books. His latest, "Need To Know" is due out at the end of this month and is a must read. It contains many interesting new facts and will have you wondering why we never knew about some of these things and where are we headed as a race? . http://www.timothygood.co.uk/

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Timothy Good's latest book that is coming out at the end of this month. It is fascinating and I used it as a basis of many of my questions. The book is "Need To Know" and the publisher is Pegasus Books.

The following is the interview that took place between Mr. Good and myself on October 8, 2007:

Ken:

First of all, I think that you have a very unusual background for a ufo investigator and I think my readers would like to know more about your musical background, could you tell us a little bit more about that?

Timothy Good:

Sure well, my father was a very distinguished violinist and was among the first to broadcast recitals on the violin for the new BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation back in the 1920s and obviously it was in the family and I started learning when I was 5 years old.

Ken:

That is very interesting. You are one of the world's preeminent ufo investigators and authors, tell us about some of the books you have written, including the new book that is about to be released.

Mother Ship And Smaller Ships - Photo was taken by George Adamski Through A Telescope
Photo Source: Complements Of Timothy Good From "Need To Know"

Timothy Good:

Well Okay, the first book I actually wrote was 'George Adamski The Untold Story', which I coauthored with Lou for Louise Zinsstag, a lovely Swiss friend of mine who was a second cousin of Carl Jung, the great psychologist, with whom she used to discuss the ufo subject and Adamski in particular. I just felt that Adamski had been misrepresented quite a bit and the first part by Lou, who knew Adamski for many many years and was his Swiss coworker in fact and she had herself many unusual experiences along the lines of Adamski, together with other coworkers, so she was convinced that he was very truthful about most things, but she became disturbed as did many of the other coworkers, much later in his life, by some of the things he was saying, but she will always stand by the basic premise that he actually had contact with extraterrestrials and that he met them here on planet Earth. My part was a sort of critical evaluation of Adamski's claims and I have to also confess that I myself have had 3 or 4 encounters with beings, that I am convinced were from elsewhere. One of them was very, very, similar to the female occupants of the spaceships in which Adamski flew, way back in the mid 1950s and that was absolutely extraordinary and that experience was on the borders of California and Arizona and that was in 1963 when I was touring with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, its a long story, but if you want to get into that later I would be glad. In 1967 I had a far more conclusive event, again telepathy was involved. It was a proof that there are highly telepathic beings around who know more than we thought and that really clinched it for me and that was back in February of 1967, when I was touring, well I was actually giving a series of concerts with the London Symphony Orchestra in Carnegie Hall. We were there in 67 when I had that second and sort of cathartic encounter, that convinced me that there are indeed some beings from elsewhere, living on this planet.

Ken:

Well maybe you could tell us what was your first experience that really got you into the field of ufo investigation?

Timothy Good:

Well it goes back to 1955 Ken. I have always been mad about aircraft and space travel, so when an American cousin, a really interesting guy really, Edmund C. Berkeley, he was the first, I believe, to produce a magazine on computers back in the 40s and it was called "Computers and Automation" and we thought he was completely bonkers. He was a brilliant man, Harvard graduate and he gave me this book on flying saucers in 1955 and it was called, "The Flying Saucers Are Real", by Major Donald Keyhoe. He said Timothy, you love planes and spaceships, you need to know about flying saucers. So that began it, I read the book and I read all these reports by airline pilots, near collisions with ufos, jet interceptors sent to chase ufos all over the place and radar confirmed sightings, air traffic controllers concerned all over the states and abroad and that was it. I was hooked and at that time I was in school, so I couldn't get into any investigation at that time. That started in 1961, when I read Captain Edward Ruppelt's famous book, "The Report On Unidentified Flying Objects". Its a great classic and even by today's standards, it is an extraordinary work given that Reppult was an intelligence officer and the first head of Project Bluebook, which as you know started back in 1952 and he was convinced that we indeed were being visited and that all the proof was there.

Ken:

Okay, I saw something that you were writing about in your new book, that I have never heard of before and it caught my eye. You mentioned that research was conducted into ufos by Mussolini in the 1930s.

Mussolini And Hitler
Photo Source: National Archives

Timothy Good:

It started with the landing of an unconventional aircraft, very unconventional obviously, in 1933 near Milan. The crash landing, the first ufo retrievable story, dates back to 1933 way before Roswell and Mussolini who was a pilot, of course at the time he was a sort of Fascist dictator of Italy, but he was also a very keen pilot. He became very gripped by these reports and it continued. There were reports in 1936 that Italian pilots chasing ufos could never get anywhere near them. There were quite, quite vivid descriptions, I forget how long it lasted, I think it was certainly continued into the Second World War. It was started in 1933 and called the Special Research Unit number 33 or RS33 for short and it was headed by Marconi, the great Italian engineer who was one of the first to deal with radio broadcasting and all that and there were many other people like astronomers involved. Actually Marconi didn't get involved in many of the investigations, perhaps he had things he thought were more important things to do. But certainly this was a top secret unit that was established at that time to investigate the ufo phenomena.

Ken:

You know its funny, most of us think that we know most of this historical data, but new stuff keeps popping up. Most people in this country believe that Roswell was the first purported crash landing of a ufo with aliens aboard, yet in your book you claim that two years before Roswell a ufo crashed near Detroit, maybe you would tell us about that?

Timothy Good:

I learned this from a pilot, let me tell you the story. In the late summer of 1945, the war was still going on and the Japanese had been sending these fugos balloons, balloon bombs, over the states and a few of them got as far as Michigan, but most of them fell into the Pacific Ocean.They drifted by the air currents and a few of them were successful, but I think that only 2 or 3 people died on examining these balloon bombs, when they came down on the west coast. In July 1945, they were considered balloon bombs over the Detroit area, an army airfield, Selfridge Air Field. They asked for a pilot to volunteer to shoot down these Japanese things. They were convinced they were balloons and there were quite a few of them over this airfield. So who volunteered, but a Free French Air Force Pilot, who was of course on detachment with the United States Army Air Forces at the time as a Thunderbolt trainer on P-47s. He went up and he told me that he took it absolutely beyond its service ceiling, going full blast on the throttle and he eventually got one of these balloons in his sites and he let rip with the eight machine guns in the wings of the Thunderbolt and suddenly this thing, it looked like a sphere when he first watched it, suddenly flipped on its side and shot off at a phenomenal speed at right angles and he said to me, "THIS WAS NO BALLOON!".

Ken:

That's interesting

Timothy Good:

So you see a Frenchmen was the first to try and defend the United States against alien invaders. I need to pick you up on your original question, the crash of a plane, it was in Colorado near Denver. This guy, Commander Jean Kisling told me that he learned a jet had been sent up to shoot down a ufo and the plane itself had been knocked out of the sky and crashed somewhere near Denver.

Ken:

Ah ha

Timothy Good:

It wasn't a ufo that actually came down near Denver at that time, but I have a case from August of 1945, which took place in New Mexico, which I have gone into in a little detail, it is quite an interesting story, it took place...I am trying to think of exactly where, there were these 2 boys, they were young boys at the time and they were working on the farm with their families and things on horseback looking after the farm. The boys names were Jose Padilla and Reme Baca. The actual date of the event was late August, after the first atomic bomb was exploded and near a place called San Antonito near San Antonio, New Mexico, somewhere near the border and they were on horseback and they saw this brilliant light, accompanied by a crunching sound and eventually came upon a dull gray..., they said it was an avocado shaped craft that had a protuberance toward one end from which could be seen smoke from the burning wreckage and they said that scattered among the debris were shiny tin foil like pieces of metal and there was a gash in the side of the craft thhough movement movement could be seen.... they were looking from a distance. There were definitely humanoid like creatures moving around, Reme Baca told me in quick darting movements, making squeaking sounds. They said that it was like a rabbit that was being killed. The boys headed back to the ranch to tell the owner Falcina Padilla what had happened and he said that he and the others would check it out in a day or two. That is a strange reaction to a possible aircraft crash with injured occupants, one would think, but anyway 2 days later the owner of the ranch with a state policeman and the boys, headed for the crash site. At first they couldn't find anything, the craft had been covered with dirt and debris to disguise it The creatures were gone and the huge debris field had been cleaned and raked over. Evidently the US Army had learned about the incident and were going to pick it up later. Reme Baca and Jose Padilla were able to watch the actual recovery operation from a distance with binoculars. Eventually there was one period where, for a few hours, it wasn't being guarded, the soldiers went down to the local bar I believe, they didn't know what they had at this time, quite frankly. They claim to have gotten inside this craft, at least Jose told me that he clamored onto the lowboy, where this craft had been strapped and readied to be taken away to White Sands the next day and they pried a souvenir piece from a bulkhead. I've seen it and examined it and I am not convinced, it certainly appears to me very Earth like. It looks like a bracket of some kind, its 12 inches long and weighs 15 ounces and contains a number of holes for fasteners of some kind.

Ken:

Has it ever been tested?

Timothy Good:

Yes a section was cut off, as well as acid tests reveal it to be 200 series aluminum or similar, which is hardly conclusive to me, even though evidently it is very light. It is a bracket of some kind with counter sunk places where screws could go in or bolts or whatever. I am just not convinced by that. Certainly the witnesses sound sincere to me, maybe the craft was something primitive. I don't know, but they were young boys at the time, I think about 7 and 9, or something like that, off the top of my head. But definitely, these creatures looked very very strange. Reme told me that when they saw them, they had dragonfly type eyes, as far as they could make out from a distance. There were crashes in World War I and World War II as well, in Hawaii for example. I've also got a case, there was one in Poland where a craft came to ground with a very humanoid type female occupant on board and she asked this guy if he could help her clear the craft, the craft had come down and half impacted into the sand and buried in the north Baltic coast. I find that a very convincing story indeed, very compelling. So there were things before Roswell. Even Roswell, yes we are getting more information now, but I think the really sensational event was probably Aztec in March of 1948, when the craft that was recovered was more or less in perfect condition and the scientists probably had a lot more time over the years and over the decades to find what it was comprised of.

Ken:

Okay, I know you covered this business about the bracket, but I would just like to ask one more question, you say that was aluminum type 200?

Timothy Good:

Yep 200 series.

Ken:

Did they have aluminum type 200 in 1945?

Timothy Good:

I wouldn't know, I would like to know.

Ken:

That's a good question isn't it, I am going to check that out myself.

Timothy Good:

They didn't say it was type 200, they said it was similar to 200 series aluminum.

Drawings Of Alien Body Made By Glenn Dennis Based On Drawings Made By Nurse At Roswell
Photo Source: Complements Of Timothy Good From "Need To Know"

Ken:

Got you. According to your book, NASA had alien bones and an alien skull on the premises in 1977. I don't want you to name any names, but could you tell me how you went about finding something like this out?

Timothy Good:

The story was published in a German book, 'Das Alien Imperium: UFO-Geheimnisse der USA" by Andreas von Retyi, published by Langen-Muller in Germany in 1995. I had the extract translated. I find it very compelling because this engineer, this biophysicist, this Polish biophysicist, Dr. Cris, in 1974 was asked, together with a small team of scientists on contract to NASA, to analyze extraordinary material and the materials were really like nothing that they had encountered before, and in 1977 the same team met again in NASA's JPL at Cal Tech in Pasadena and during his party, the official that was retiring took these biophysicists, they were a team, there were half a dozen of them, French, Italian, Polish and British and they were taken to a vault 3 levels below ground level into this top secret vault, apparently where it was protected by a heavy door with two seals and they were taken into this room about 8 to 10 meters in length and about 4 meters wide and the first thing that they saw were two small shiny plexiglas containers. In one of the two, there was a hip bone, the bottom of it was broken off. It looked like a child's hip bone, but the form was different and the bone structure too and the shape and color were different. The bone was not typical yellowish white, but grayish white. So said this guy who was given the pseudonym of Dr. Cris. He said the cavity for the bone marrow was smaller and the structures where the muscles were attached were formed differently. In the second plexiglas container he says we saw the fragment of a skull, maybe 1/3rd or 40 percent of it. The segment included the eye socket and part of the right part of the skull. The head was about as big as that of an elderly child. It looked human like, but derived neither from a child or from an ape. The color was different from that of the hip bone, it appeared lighter. I don't know if some parts of the bone had been damaged by fire, in any case the color was not the same. He said that the part of the skull protecting the brain was much thinner than a human's scalp. Now in that context, it is interesting that the nurse who attended one of the autopsies at Roswell Army Air Field, according to Glenn Dennis, described the scalp of one of the beings as being flexible, so that's interesting.

Ken:

Yes that is interesting.

Timothy Good:

And these exhibits were given a small printed explanation. It said," from the first and second incidents in New Mexico". The team of scientists tried to get the American chap in charge, who was retiring, to say what this meant. He said that is highly secret and we are not allowed to talk about that. Well anyway, what I find that even more interesting is that Dr. Cris said that later in 1947, there had been at least two spaceships with at least 2 crews of 3 that had crashed and he added that one member of the second crew had survived. I don't know anything specific about his fate. The first 3 beings were mostly charred, while the next 2 was mostly preserved for example. For example the scalp, skin and bones. There were also parts of clothing found. As I learned from from biologists, their blood is similar to ours, but shows a totally different reaction towards oxygen, so inside the spaceship they must breathe a mixture of helium and oxygen. Nitrogen, for whatever reason, is not good for them and I know Andreas Von Retyi and I am sure that, that is a very genuine case.

Ken:

I think it is amazing that the particular nurse that you are talking about, how every record of her's was completely erased from Roswell to make her a non entity, you know what I mean?

Timothy Good:

Well yeah. its interesting, you know that Glenn Dennis gave out the name of Safe, or Selff I think, I am sorry I forget, I should check and get all my facts. It was Naomi Self I think. Anyway according to the air force, according to their investigations, all the information Glenn Dennis provides, accurately describes a first lieutenant Eileen M. Fanton. I've actually reproduced a photograph from the US Air Force, you know Roswell Case Closed book.

Ken:

Yeah I've done a little research myself.

Timothy Good

I think that's very interesting, so you know that the jury's still open on that one.

Powerful Portable Radar Station
Photo Source: DOS

Ken:

I didn't write this question down, but it come to mind. With all these ufo crashes many people believe that even though these ships have advanced beings flying them, that because of the type of propulsion they are using, like antigravity propulsion, that technically they are unstable at slower speeds and that this causes some of the crashes. Do you believe that?

Timothy Good:

I think it is quite likely. It is sort of being surmised that the new high powered radar was put in New Mexico to sort of defend White Sands, because that area was the first area where the Abomb was tested, exploded and a lot of other things involving ufos. Actually ufos were very busy in New Mexico, there was no question, because of our developments with nuclear weapons and so forth. So they were buzzing all over the place and I think that in addition to the possibility that radar took some of them down, I think that others were actually shot down later on, using all sorts of sophisticated weapons. I have heard all sorts of rumors about that time and what I am told by Jon Andy Kissner, former state representative for the town Las Cruces, that's right, yeah, he was also in the defense industry, very well connected and he gave me a lot of extremely important new information relating to the air disasters which followed the first tests of V-2 Rockets. The case actually described and I reproduced, thanks to Andy Kissner's research that he kindly gave me permission to use as much as I wanted, he had great research, actual newspaper articles confirming that peculiar phenomena were responsible for bringing down prematurely a V-2 Rocket. This was several months before Roswell. I reproduced the actual newspaper there, which shows the director of the White Sands missile test center confirming this officially. What happened then was that there was a renewed effort on the part of the Army Air Forces as they still wanted to bring some of these things down for instance, for evaluation. There could have been a conflict ever since, in my opinion, with some or even several extraterrestrial species. Anyway that set things off, when we started firing at them and actually succeeded, I am told, in bringing down the two of them, that came down somewhere in the vicinity of Roswell and other areas as you know. You know the story there. I don't think that all the facts have been released but, I was told what happened in sort or May and or June 1947, some of these things these craft were knocked out of the sky and the one that came down at Roswell, I am told by Andy Kissner, took several days before it came down and several of these craft were seen wobbling around the sky, literally, as if they were sort of in trouble and then they came down in New Mexico and retrievable teams were sent out.

Ken:

So apparently we had something that would interfere with the magnetic field.

Timothy Good:

Or what ever. What I'm told brought those down, they did try regular antiaircraft shells, but they found the most effective thing was proximity fuse weapons, they are geared to explode at a predetermined distance,on getting close to the target. Apparently that's what happened, they brought several of these things down and then all hell let loose, because they started retaliating and not just in the United States, but worldwide. Again I reproduced some of the actual articles, some are a little difficult to read, but you can get the gist of the whole thing.

Ken:

That was a question that I was going to ask you, believe it or not. You are going to answer the question between the years 52 and 56 about the 1773 aircraft accidents?

Timothy Good:

Yes I am going to talk about that, but first of all this is in1947 before Roswell, hundreds of aircraft crashes occurred not just in the United States, but all over the world and there is no doubt in my mind, that these crashes were indeed ufo related. It was retaliation on their part. Now what I found particularly disturbing when I was presented with this massive evidence, its understandable if interceptors were sent up and knocked out of the sky, which has happened many times, or made to disappear or whatever, but there were airliners that were unable to get off the ground, this happened on many occasions all over the world and unexplained crashes. The official explanation. was that the planes were running out of fuel. Well you don't get that many planes running out of fuel, when they have just been fully fueled and not even gotten into the air. So there were these many, many unexplained accidents and I eventually managed, thanks to Richard H. Hall, the great researcher with Donald Keyhoe, from Doctor Olavo Fontes, the actual Defense Department statistics from 1952 to late 1956 on aircraft crashes. Interestingly these statistics reveal that out of 18,662 major military aircraft accidents, most of which incidentally involved the latest jet fighters and other inceptor aircraft, 1,773 were due to unknown factors. That is officially confirmed by the United States Defense Department statistics.

Ken:

That's incredible.

Timothy Good:

It is also incredible that there were 18,662 major military aircraft accidents in that period.

F-94 Starfire
Photo Source: US Air Force

Ken:

Yeah it sure is. Tell us a little bit about the interceptors that disappeared. What I am curious about is, was there any pattern to their disappearance, in other words did they show electrical problems as they got closer to these discs?

Timothy Good:

Yes, absolutely, in many cases. The most classic one for me, the most interesting one and I think that there must have been hundreds, if not, well I would put it conservatively at maybe several thousand unexplained accidents and disappearances. But I think the most interesting one occurred in I think, June of 1953 when an F-94C Starfire was sent up from Otis Air Force Base in Massachusetts, on the coast of Massachusetts to chase an ariel intruder. I mean this thing, these things were happening every day at that time. I mean there was nothing exceptional about it. It was quite normal. Pilots were sent up to investigate these things and to shoot them down and this was in June of that year, 53. A Starfire was sent up. The pilot was sitting in the front seat and in the rear was the radio, radar operator and they got to just over 1,000 feet to chase this intruder away, this unexplained flying object, when all power failed, absolutely everything, the engine failed the whole lot. The rear seat guy is supposed to eject first, but nothing happened or we simply don't know what happened, but anyway there was no time to mess around, so the pilot in the front pulled the ejection seat canopy, they shot off then he ejected, he came down and the parachute managed to open in time and he landed in a populated area, a suburban area, fully expecting the rear seater to come down after him. What happened, nothing. There was no sign of the radar observer, no sign of the Starfire jet. The only thing that they found was the cockpit canopy, which of course had just been ejected prior to the pilot having ejected. I find that a very convincing story and I know one of the investigators, I know Major Donald Keyhoe investigated it, Bob Pratt who died in recent years sadly, was a great researcher, he was convinced that it was very real based on the people he spoke to. So that's just one of many, many cases. I think that they are probably still happening, but we don't get to hear about them so much.